tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post8471060583996276206..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: The ISTQB scam and why you should sign Keith Klain's petitionPradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-552894810937501192013-09-05T02:32:36.545+05:302013-09-05T02:32:36.545+05:30I cannot help but just agree with Arun Gupta's...I cannot help but just agree with Arun Gupta's post. Each to their own and this post is just your opinion. Just because you think some ABC certification is not worth it does not mean everyone should iggy it. Well, you take your effort to bring it (petition or whatever it takes). There sure will be a group of people nodding for everything you say but at the same time, know this - your post is not gonna bring ISTQB down. Them charging cheap exam fee does not mean the certificate is of poor quality or it is a scam. It is just how you and your community views it.<br /><br />If you do not want to do ISTQB then just do not take up the exam. But, STOP promoting wrong views about it. <br /><br />I wish people like you were never given a chance to speak or access to internet to the say the least. So, you can keep all your sadist and sorry comments to your own group of tiny little community.<br /><br />FINALLY, if you care for the whole testing community as you say, bring out the +ves that are there in the current trend instead of telling around who is bad who is scam and who is faking. It is simply none of your business and you are no one to judge that.<br /><br />Peace and may GOD give you some knowledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-8015807498768457312013-05-10T16:08:58.529+05:302013-05-10T16:08:58.529+05:30I never believed in testing certifications. And d...I never believed in testing certifications. And definitely ISTQB is a joke, All you need to clear that is a dump of questions available over the internet or worse not even that. And the outcome, I have seen many ISTQB certified and so called "testers" are pathetic testers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15762019168119375421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-77466262559945525382013-05-08T23:33:19.225+05:302013-05-08T23:33:19.225+05:30@Arun Gupta,
Here is some help for you on bias - ...@Arun Gupta,<br /><br />Here is some help for you on bias - bias does not mean wrong. There are positive biases and negative biases. The one I have is positive because I am caring for the community. You don't seem to care for it. Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-31746677897064514202013-05-07T18:30:02.337+05:302013-05-07T18:30:02.337+05:30This is the most biased post i have ever read. Wor...This is the most biased post i have ever read. Words are full of frustration and helplessness. I don't know why do you think there's a need to publish this kind of post. This certification is just like any other examination you face during your education. Now you must be saying that there is no need to conduct examination in the high schools either. <br />Take an example of a guy who scores 90% in a computer exam in his school and doesn't even know how to format his computer and on the other hand a guy scores 40% and knows how to hack.<br />Geniuses are everywhere and that's true we cannot measure the knowledge using a certificate but still it goes this way.<br />Why there are IITs in India which conduct their own entrance examination? What would you prove by clearing an examination based on mathematics and physics when you have to study computer science?Arun Guptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09666001056521031820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-26695366072403260972013-05-06T13:13:13.093+05:302013-05-06T13:13:13.093+05:30@Sanjay,
So, let's take your argument further...@Sanjay,<br /><br />So, let's take your argument further : If both have ISTQB certificate then what is the differentiating factor they look for?<br /><br />They look for those who is skilled, smart and can solve their problems? Well, why do you need a certificate in first place?<br /><br />Also, I am an employer. I don't look for certificates (for that matter even the BE BSc stuff) and we have hired some college drop outs too who are fantastic testers than what the certificates could produce. Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-11676398765274473872013-05-06T12:44:53.083+05:302013-05-06T12:44:53.083+05:30I agree with you statements, but ISTQB and any oth...I agree with you statements, but ISTQB and any other certificates will help the companies to short list the resumes.And, no company just hire the people just by seeing the certificate. ISTQB is just an added advantage.<br /><br />For example: in an interview if there are 2 people who did equally well in interview and the company has to select only one and assume that one guys is having a testing certificate, the company will give preference to the certificate guy only.Sanjaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-49954360157137576062013-05-01T23:16:20.867+05:302013-05-01T23:16:20.867+05:30This is one more reason why I hate Indian IT Servi...This is one more reason why I hate Indian IT Service industry -<br /><br />"I have been employed in services companies that have asked me to take ISTQB and my appraisal would depend on that. So, people are forced to take it up. Most of my colleagues took it up for their appraisals and that is how they drive it. Are we creating passion? Are we creating a better community?"tarun khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11392748105802885663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-3105241475364245192013-04-30T22:26:06.890+05:302013-04-30T22:26:06.890+05:30Agree and hence signed the petition.So very true b...Agree and hence signed the petition.So very true but equally sad that its so hard to change the thought process by just signing this petition. I am having testing experience but its mandatory to have ISEB/BCC/ISTQB certifications to apply to any of the testing jobs in Europe.My Resume is being rejected just because I don't have those buzz words in my resume. But do I have a choice other than not doing the certification to get a decent job? Bitter truth <br />Devikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02996046989442004831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-11944971072149447252013-04-30T15:31:01.470+05:302013-04-30T15:31:01.470+05:30Excellent. This was very much needed. What is more...Excellent. This was very much needed. What is more sad is people who force others to take this certification and also hiring guys....who filter out profiles by this keyword named ISTQB....themselves DON'T KNOW.....what they are looking for and what that really means. My friend was asked to (rather forced to)take ISTQB.....she said she would rather go for BBST if certification was all that important....and guess what....the question from her 'Test lead' was.......'What is BBST? Do they accept that in India?' <br /><br />That sums it all. What I mean to say is.....along with ISQTB....testers who don't think critically about certifications they take are equally responsible. Secondly....these 'Training Institutes'......who scare naive freshers to take the certification if they want to get hired. This whole chain and lobby needs to be broken. and efforts need to be taken from 'we testers'.... I feel....one more question should be added in tester's list and that is "Why should I go for this certification?" <br /><br />- Lalit BhamareFervent Testershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15731664508931034185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-5566830926704587812013-04-30T10:11:37.886+05:302013-04-30T10:11:37.886+05:30More questions:
01. Can someone from ISTQB deconst...More questions:<br />01. Can someone from ISTQB deconstruct the question paper and explain what "COMPETENCE" each correct answer to a question indicates and how is the objective verification of the competencies done?<br />02. Can someone explain how when someone gets 26 right from the 40 questions is CERTIFIED when he gets 14 wrong in the "FOUNDATION"?<br /><br />http://www.istqb.in/About_ISTQB.php<br />03. What is the meaning of "increasing qualified testers?" What does QUALIFICATION indicate?<br />04. What have they done to promote testing as a profession? What has the community of "CERTIFIED PROFESSIONALS" accomplished? How are they being engaged?<br />05. Fathom this!<br />The Foundation Level qualification is aimed at professionals who need to demonstrate practical knowledge of the fundamental concepts of software testing. This includes people in roles such as test designers, test analysts, test engineers, test consultants, test managers, user acceptance testers and IT Professionals.<br /><br />The Foundation Level qualification is also appropriate for anyone who needs a basic understanding of software testing, such as project managers, quality managers, software development managers, business analysts, IT directors and management consultants.<br /><br />- Anyone and everyone. Same for Test Manager, Consultants, a fresher etc and if all of them pass what does that mean? Please relate to the claims made.<br /><br />06. http://www.istqb.org/certification-path-root/why-istqb-certification/benefits.html<br />- Gain independently assessed knowledge and skills.??? How?<br />- increased earning potential? How? <br /><br />07. Why is number of years of experience necessary to gain Advanced or Expert level certification? Are you saying someone less than 2 years cannot become an expert? <br /><br />08. Why is training required for someone who wants to assess at Expert Level? Are they not experts? And this exam was supposed to assess the EXPERTISE? Or are you creating experts?<br /><br />List can go on ... every sentence on the website can be questioned? If only someone listens! <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com