tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post841731794561626575..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: Saving your job versus speaking truthPradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-47139255942147964722010-07-06T00:43:54.972+05:302010-07-06T00:43:54.972+05:30I like it!!!I like it!!!Santosh Shuklahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12964135207679937592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-10663549196990749962010-06-11T12:14:14.752+05:302010-06-11T12:14:14.752+05:30@Pradhasrinivas,
Talking to the person and helpin...@Pradhasrinivas,<br /><br />Talking to the person and helping him/her understand the problems to their careers associated to faking is the kind of help I would offer.<br /><br />There is a black list of companies who provide fake certificates available with NASSCOM, you may bring that to your management's attention so that this doesn't happen again.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-694753728588205872010-06-11T12:09:56.234+05:302010-06-11T12:09:56.234+05:30i felt very desperate when i came across a fake te...i felt very desperate when i came across a fake tester working in a small company with 2 1/2 years joined recently don't know what is a web application but testing it .how can they be caught.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-43792046275086757322010-06-01T14:42:49.494+05:302010-06-01T14:42:49.494+05:30Awesome topic, i think you can talk on any topic :...Awesome topic, i think you can talk on any topic :)<br /><br />First thing everybody has to do is, try to find some way, where you can earn some bucks though you got fired.<br /><br />Once you got that confidence, you can be honest, you can do what you think and etc....SteStuff-Everything Test Eng Needshttp://stestuff.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-37693890857989971532010-05-31T04:22:36.676+05:302010-05-31T04:22:36.676+05:30Nice post! I also read and saw your comparison on ...Nice post! I also read and saw your comparison on testers vs people who work as a tester. Also the example with hiring tester interview compared to hiring a car driver.<br /> <br /> Your conclusion in this post is great!Eusebiu Blinduhttp://www.testalways.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-8331035826892852132010-05-26T11:02:57.472+05:302010-05-26T11:02:57.472+05:30@Anonymous,
I somehow feel posts like these show ...@Anonymous,<br /><br /><i>I somehow feel posts like these show testers and testing as a low profession.</i><br /><br />Maybe you are right. However, I want to ask you a couple of questions. First: If you were speaking the truth about my post, what was the need to post as Anonymous?<br /><br />Is the "anonymous" umbrella something that you like to have?<br /><br /><i>Dude, Software testing if done in a committed and right manner, it gets the best respect from the entire management and the development team. </i><br /><br />I liked that you used the word "if". Who knows what software testing is? In every forum you see testers who spend most time in testing themselves being confused of what it is and you go to say that management understands what it is and shall recognize it. Maybe, you are still right. I don't know.<br /><br /><i>You don't need to be a consultant to be a good tester, you can be one even when you are with a permanent job. Resigning your job when you are not heard is like running away just because its raining.</i><br /><br />What do you think I wrote in this post? <br /><br /><i>Show everyone that you have the umbrella which will help them to shade from rain, that will show your true potential.</i><br /><br />First, show everyone who you are by taking out the Anonymous umbrella you seem to have. That would at least help some readers of my blog to not be misguided by what I write. Seriously.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-44188299018036828322010-05-26T02:39:05.521+05:302010-05-26T02:39:05.521+05:30I somehow feel posts like these show testers and t...I somehow feel posts like these show testers and testing as a low profession. Dude, Software testing if done in a committed and right manner, it gets the best respect from the entire management and the development team. As nobody wants to loose money and nobody wants their name to get spoiled in the industry. You don't need to be a consultant to be a good tester, you can be one even when you are with a permanent job. Resigning your job when you are not heard is like running away just because its raining. Show everyone that you have the umbrella which will help them to shade from rain, that will show your true potential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-5170834740177499782010-05-12T11:38:34.834+05:302010-05-12T11:38:34.834+05:30@Pradeep,
Thanks for your reply. You always clear...@Pradeep,<br /><br />Thanks for your reply. You always clear air around things in your own way which I find little tricky to decipher at times.<br />I'll definitely ponder over the book you suggested as I also want to learn the ways to tackle ego.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Rahul GuptaRahul Guptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12608741092824452758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-35141437880436233672010-05-11T22:05:44.634+05:302010-05-11T22:05:44.634+05:30@Rahul Gupta,
Today Morning I was reading a chapt...@Rahul Gupta,<br /><br />Today Morning I was reading a chapter in Jerry Weinberg's book More Secrets of Consulting in which Jerry suggests checking our action when others around us are behaving in ways that we think is not congruent. <br /><br />That might be an interesting thing for you to ponder over.<br /><br />Additionally, I have started to believe that Ego can be tackled.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-59527136720018012222010-05-11T22:02:53.742+05:302010-05-11T22:02:53.742+05:30@ Suresh and @Atestersjourney,
You are brothers i...@ Suresh and @Atestersjourney,<br /><br />You are brothers in software testing I know of and its cool. I wish you the best.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-827935227128809852010-05-11T13:41:45.075+05:302010-05-11T13:41:45.075+05:30Good Post Pradeep !!!
You are the inspiration fo...Good Post Pradeep !!! <br /><br />You are the inspiration for me to post testing blogs...<br /><br />http://atestersjourney.blogspot.com/Passionate Teserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00974180727128370574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-35281271159160912542010-05-11T10:46:44.097+05:302010-05-11T10:46:44.097+05:30Pradeep,
Thanks for this post; it’s like listenin...Pradeep,<br /><br />Thanks for this post; it’s like listening to a true story. <br /><br /><i>Being in testing, which is a profession of providing information to business decision takers, hiding the truth is a disservice to them.</i><br /><br /><b>What stops someone from speaking the truth?</b><br /><br />Most of my friends say that their manager won’t listen to their inputs on things being done in a certain way and there is better way to do it, which is true at times. And if someone tries to speak truth here, it becomes an EGO issue for seniors and focus is moved from delivering a quality product to proving a point.<br /><br />Most of the people with less than 5 years of work experience (in terms of number of years they have been employed) face the similar issues. I am saying this because I have less than 5 years of work experience.<br /><br />I am not an expert to comment on all the things as I am not a “know it all guy”. There are many things that I have no idea about. As far as I understand this, the problem is not being afraid of speaking the truth; the real problem is How to speak the truth without hurting EGOs. We all worry about getting good ratings in Performance Appraisals at the year end. <i><b>And I find lessons like “Boss is always right” misleading. </b></i>At times we don’t know how to report some issues and the issues in question are not as easy as reporting a Defect.<br /><br />Can we expect seniors to shrug off ego and concentrate on getting the work done while being considerate and at the same time can we ask juniors to work harder, come up with relevant data without being arrogant? I think, we should focus on achieving Win:Win situation for both Seniors and Juniors. And there is always a way as James said in response to one of Pradeep’s post <b>“Be Ambitious”</b>.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Rahul Gupta <br />http://BugMagnate.blogspot.comRahul Guptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12608741092824452758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-14569723255933763322010-05-10T16:23:56.337+05:302010-05-10T16:23:56.337+05:30The link given was wrong please find the correct l...The link given was wrong please find the correct link<br /><br />http://atestersjourney.blogspot.com/Sureshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00715767587977275055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-2817590221866600692010-05-10T16:22:08.895+05:302010-05-10T16:22:08.895+05:30Today we were disucssing the same topic and i saw ...Today we were disucssing the same topic and i saw ur blog, irrespective of fear if we tell the truth ;) as i did once that time management may behave different later when they see the insight, your words will be taken.<br /><br />Good blog once again<br /><br />By the by my brother a passionate tester who started writing blog by reading your blogs in his company intranet and got nice reviews and other testers/developers told they were motivated by his writings.<br /><br />Yesterday he published all his writings in the following blog.<br /><br />Please read it when you have time and have your comments on it.<br /><br />http://atestersjourney.blogpspot.com/Sureshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00715767587977275055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-38488464265676739392010-05-10T15:26:28.647+05:302010-05-10T15:26:28.647+05:30Hi Pradeep,
I think you have hit the nail on its ...Hi Pradeep,<br /><br />I think you have hit the nail on its head with this post of yours! Even I felt this many a times from my experiences as a tester. I guess the best way to handle this is to say what you feel and add value to the team, ultimately that's what you are hired for. <br /><br />Chetan GiridharChetan Giridharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05519795135167211444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-40750826230720524702010-05-07T22:16:56.776+05:302010-05-07T22:16:56.776+05:30Hi Pradeep,
An wonderful post which speaks about...Hi Pradeep,<br /><br /> An wonderful post which speaks about the real life fact in a software testing professional's life.<br /><br />This keeps me sleepless nights to thin about why I am stagnant in my career with the employer.<br /><br />Thanks once again.Ramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758703472215243698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-8418260064337291612010-05-07T07:40:08.608+05:302010-05-07T07:40:08.608+05:30@Sunjeet,
The question is: Will people working wi...@Sunjeet,<br /><br />The question is: Will people working with and for you have a different experience than what you had by working with others?Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-52533700423068677912010-05-07T07:26:04.324+05:302010-05-07T07:26:04.324+05:30@Sunjeet,
having said that , it is the unfortunat...@Sunjeet,<br /><br /><i>having said that , it is the unfortunate reality of Indian IT work culture , emphasis is too much on carrot and stick policies and witch hunts ....rather than mutual development , transparency and honesty .</i><br /><br />All of India or just most of India? The India around you and me is definitely better. There are people like us and there are people wanting to be like us ( in the context of honesty ) so there is a hope for expansion.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-86932853363121263212010-05-06T22:31:34.909+05:302010-05-06T22:31:34.909+05:30Your blog makes a lot of sense Pradeep. I am happy...Your blog makes a lot of sense Pradeep. I am happy that i know and have met people like you. Thanks so much for sharing what you feel.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17777409031582954271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-43913882386293130092010-05-06T22:12:58.893+05:302010-05-06T22:12:58.893+05:30@VVK,
I have been very honest to my profession do...@VVK,<br /><br /><i>I have been very honest to my profession doing the best what is possible. But i see that it never is valued, the product goes out in the market with bugs and companies survive with the issues.So even after repeated suggestion if the testers views are not values what should keep him going on to give suggestion ?</i><br /><br />Two things: <br /><br />1. Read Michael Bolton's post http://www.developsense.com/blog/2010/05/when-testers-are-asked-for-a-shipno-ship-opinion/<br /><br />2. Are you expecting people who hide speaking truth to value your honesty?Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-30841457202525009292010-05-06T21:33:00.410+05:302010-05-06T21:33:00.410+05:30A very touchy read .
But during the recession e...A very touchy read . <br /> But during the recession every one was playing safe not only tester, but also Tester/developers/project manager. No one was ready to raise the voice against the Test Manager/Client in the ways of working. You never know when you will be in the line of fire and when it comes to the headcount reduction you may become the victim.This can also effect the appraisal that you are due. Hence testers always take a subtle route.<br /><br /> I have been very honest to my profession doing the best what is possible. But i see that it never is valued, the product goes out in the market with bugs and companies survive with the issues.So even after repeated suggestion if the testers views are not values what should keep him going on to give suggestion ?vvkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753434084536314586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-77249136444433671422010-05-06T21:05:21.659+05:302010-05-06T21:05:21.659+05:30Hi Pradeep,
I've read so many wonderful posts...Hi Pradeep,<br /><br />I've read so many wonderful posts of yours, since discovering that testing is actually a *craft*, and that we may actively seek improvement. This is a mindset that I would love to promote.<br /><br />However, I can't seem to get my team interested in the idea that there is more to being a tester than simply the product in front of them. I know that you've been a strong supporter of sapient testing. I was hoping you could lend some advice on how to share the spark.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15325113696970288304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-3229894448885669822010-05-06T18:57:38.961+05:302010-05-06T18:57:38.961+05:30@Mohit,
- What should we do If management ignore ...@Mohit,<br /><br /><i>- What should we do If management ignore the information put up by test team. For eg: Sometimes I reported about the potential risk which could stand in future but management ignored that. Later When the issue was reported by client then they took appropriate action and it happened many times.</i><br /><br />Read Michael Bolton's post http://www.developsense.com/blog/2010/05/when-testers-are-asked-for-a-shipno-ship-opinion/<br /><br /><i>While working for a product, I logged lot of issues. All the issues were valid but they were not fixed. The issues were neither rejected nor deferred; they were postponed due to other developments in the pipeline and they remained in pipeline until the releasing of product.</i><br /><br />Read Michael Bolton's post http://www.developsense.com/blog/2010/05/when-testers-are-asked-for-a-shipno-ship-opinion/Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-77629325166149164892010-05-06T18:51:41.941+05:302010-05-06T18:51:41.941+05:30@Zeger Van Hese,
Should we go against that? If a...@Zeger Van Hese, <br /><br /><i>Should we go against that? If a client hires us for doing A and B because that is what matters to him, should we say to him: "Well I don't think we should do A and B, we best do A, C and D instead"?<br />It will often be a thin line between "good advice to enhance the customer's value" and "misplaced arrogance/questioning his sanity".</i><br /><br />What if the client finds out that he hired us and we didnt tell him that he ought to be doing C and D, too? <br /><br />So, I have been learning the power of AND HEURISTIC. If we say, "You are doing A B. I see these value in doing C and D. So, if we were to do C and D, not doing B wont cost us" then maybe, that might sound interesting.<br /><br />However, I agree to you, there are contexts where we need to balance it out. <br /><br />Hey wait, we could Mention In Passing!Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-10672144520558560992010-05-06T18:48:32.147+05:302010-05-06T18:48:32.147+05:30@ Anne,
When times are quiet (and there will alwa...@ Anne,<br /><br /><i>When times are quiet (and there will always be lull times) I help out at the AST online courses. </i><br /><br />Sometimes that is better than accepting low paying jobs.<br /><br /><i>There is no such thing as a "permanent" job these days, so I agree with you its misplaced trust and it is important to be able to survive on your own. Though working for yourself doesn't suit everyone.</i><br /><br />When I told my parents that I am going to be an independent consultant, my mother asked me, "You wont have a permanent job?" to which I said, "Yes, just like anyone else". :)Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.com