tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post4903651806646560067..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: What is our competition on?Pradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-72364977047956553632010-10-12T17:37:08.624+05:302010-10-12T17:37:08.624+05:30hi Pradeep..
i m looking for interview questions o...hi Pradeep..<br />i m looking for interview questions on testing...will u mind suggesting me some website for it or if u have any lot of interview question..please post it...and thanks for clearing all myths about testing..nadiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12528685146938880369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-6349613445713350562010-09-03T15:27:26.771+05:302010-09-03T15:27:26.771+05:30@Markus,
Thanks for the info. I liked that approa...@Markus,<br /><br />Thanks for the info. I liked that approach. <br /><br />@Simon Morley,<br /><br />I am sorry to have missed reading that post. Indeed you did write out on this topic much before I did and I should have linked to your post. I didn't notice it. Now, I have updated the blog post with your link.<br /><br />@Maik,<br /><br />I wish your team the success for TeamSTAR. Eurostar seems to have taken the next step in securing things work fine.<br /><br />@Eurostar,<br /><br />Thanks for being open to ideas.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-72595146208817877422010-08-26T22:13:44.299+05:302010-08-26T22:13:44.299+05:30@Pradeep, my vote goes to "B".
@EuroSTA...@Pradeep, my vote goes to "B".<br /><br />@EuroSTAR - Email validation does not stop "an employee of a large company" (and gathering votes is much easier, especially if the Head of Testing is the one asking for votes) from winning. I am guessing every employee of that company will have a unique email id. <br /><br />Also there are free email id providers (including Gmail) where a bug (or a feature) exists. Try this step - send mails to <br />1. myemailid@gmail.com<br />2. my.emailid@gmail.com<br />3. my.email.id@gmail.com<br />4. m.y.e.m.a.i.l.i.d@gmail.com<br /><br />All email will go to same id myemailid@gmail.com or any of the above four ids with which you logged into gmail.com<br /><br />Gmail currently ignores the .(dot) in the email id. I can create AVeryLongEmailIDforVoting@gmail.com and vote as many times as I can create different ids out of this id using variours .(dot) positions. All validation link will come to same emaild id and I can validate each one easily. How will you stop this?Ajoy Kumar Singhahttp://www.ajoysingha.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-55873372123233088072010-08-26T20:25:51.760+05:302010-08-26T20:25:51.760+05:30Hi Pradeep,
For one of our internal QA events, we...Hi Pradeep,<br /><br />For one of our internal QA events, we were thinking of introducing a vote-driven format for selection of papers but reverted back to review-panel based selection, because we can not rely on authenticity of votes. A candidate from a "bigger team" would get undue benefit.<br /><br />In external competitions, the same problem would exist. Along with count of votes, sources of votes must be taken into account.<br /><br />There's another aspect to votes. Votes are counted not weighed. For example in our popular music reality shows, what matters is "public vote" whether it comes from a music expert or a person who has never listened to music in his/her life.Rahul Vermahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15369178470521588425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-930045123915350012010-08-26T16:23:33.504+05:302010-08-26T16:23:33.504+05:30Very true about the VideoStar competition. Now, it...Very true about the VideoStar competition. Now, it is so easy to clear the cookies automatically and it can be even automated while I am playing video game and votes keep getting counted. And also, it is not the votes but the creativity behind the video should also be seen.<br /><br />Similar with uTest Bug of the Month where the award goes to for likes. I did not like the idea because here the competition is with the number of friends in Facebook or the quality of the bug as the title reads "Bug Of The Month".<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Santhosh Shivanand TuppadSanthosh Tuppadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15798739919129502021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-42887082353315945752010-08-26T14:29:47.792+05:302010-08-26T14:29:47.792+05:30Hi Pradeep,
A very good point. We are trying somet...Hi Pradeep,<br />A very good point. We are trying something different with BlogSTAR and TeamSTAR.<br /><br />With BlogSTAR, we have appointed an independent committee from the test community to judge entries and decide on their best 3 Bloggers from the competition. <br /><br />The test community will then get one day to vote for their favourite from the 3. The voting process this time has also changed - you must now validate your email to vote (I'll drop you a mail to show you what I mean)<br /><br />TeamSTAR will go to the vote in much the same way as VideoSTAR but using this new system.<br /><br />The EuroSTAR TeamEuroSTARnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-54598597934285778682010-08-26T14:05:22.038+05:302010-08-26T14:05:22.038+05:30Hi Pradeep,
good post. As a kind of support, let m...Hi Pradeep,<br />good post. As a kind of support, let me tell you, that i had similiar thoughts when VideoSTAR was happening.<br />A) Open to fraud, if not properly secured.<br />B) Cant compete with the masses (of collegues/employees called to vote).<br /><br />But to be honest, i would do the same and organise my peeps to vote for me. :-)<br /><br />Maybe they should only allow votes from participants, aka people who had uploaded a video for VideoSTAR.<br />Give them 2 votes each, so they can vote for themself and for another, which they like.<br /><br />I entered TeamSTAR, cause it *is* a chance to win tickets for EuroSTAR (which, as a medium company, we never would spent that much money on) and i have the hope, that it will be different.<br /><br />The voting&winning description reads far better, in my eyes, this time.<br /><br />As for competitions and/or awards .. i think it caters to the human nature and it can help to improve the individual and therefore the society, *if* done in a proper way.<br /><br />It should keep a balance between challenging the individual to give his best and a cutthroat mentality on the other side.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />MaikMaikNoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14077795275208639861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-19955008978058236002010-08-26T13:20:41.027+05:302010-08-26T13:20:41.027+05:30While winner is selected/chosen by voting system, ...While winner is selected/chosen by voting system, it shouldn't be called as 'Competition' rather it should be called as 'Election'. <br />According to Oxford dictionary:<br />- Competition means "the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others."<br />- Election means "a formal and organized choice by vote of a person for a political office or other position"<br /><br />Here noway to relate voting system with competition. So, it's upto Company/Organization to decide whether they are going to organize a competition or something else.<br /><br />-SelimSelim Miahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187393536220369774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-71748803210780939842010-08-26T13:15:27.894+05:302010-08-26T13:15:27.894+05:30Pradeep,
When I saw the videostar competition I wo...Pradeep,<br />When I saw the videostar competition I wondered about the format of the voting - I voted for you, Rob & Anne-Marie using different browsers (got the tip from twitter). So then I thought - where's the transparency of the format?<br /><br />When I saw the blogstar announcement I read the format - it said something like the "most popular blogger" would win, but nothing about how that would be determined.<br /><br />At the time I <a href="http://testers-headache.blogspot.com/2010/07/eurostar-blogstar-candidate-roll-call.html" rel="nofollow">wrote a post</a> - both positive about generating interest and thinking about some testers that might enter (including you) - but also with a question mark over the voting format.<br /><br />About the same time there was a similar discussion on the writing-about-testing list.<br /><br />A couple of days later the competition organisers clarified how the winner would be decided.<br /><br />I don't have the time for this competition this year - but if it gets good reviews (including its transparency) then hopefully it will be repeated.<br /><br />I would also like to see more competitions like the Test Republic Bug Advocacy challenge. When I won this I thought - ok I've shone on that day, but it doesn't mean I will shine tomorrow (the black swan effect) and I must work at it.<br /><br />The competition was a learning exercise for me (I wrote an <a href="http://testers-headache.blogspot.com/2009/07/moonlighting-2.html" rel="nofollow">experience report</a> about it), which is one of the best types of competition for a tester IMO. Hopefully, there will be more like that and the ones you suggested.<br /><br />But having these types of competitions means more work (effort and time) for the judges which is why a public vote is maybe 'easier'. Ooops...Simon Morleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10629592766073538811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-84847090350421749822010-08-26T13:02:08.064+05:302010-08-26T13:02:08.064+05:30Pradeep,
When I saw the videostar competition I wa...Pradeep,<br />When I saw the videostar competition I was a little surprised about the voting set-up - BTW, I voted for you, Rob & Anne-Marie using 3 different browsers (others had twittered about this possibility) - I thought at the time that this is open to abuse. This doesn't mean the winner wasn't worthy - the lack of transparency raises questions about the competition format rather than the entrants.<br /><br />When I saw the blogstar announcement - I read it carefully, paying attention to the voting, at the time it said something like "the most popular" blogger would win. This triggered me to <a href="http://testers-headache.blogspot.com/2010/07/eurostar-blogstar-candidate-roll-call.html" rel="nofollow">write a post</a> - both positive to the idea of generating interest and encouraging some bloggers (yourself included) to enter, but also questioning the voting format.<br /><br />About the same time there was a discussion on the writing-about-testing list raising similar questions. A couple of days later the competition organisers changed the voting format. We'll see how this works... I don't have the time to enter it this time around - but hopefully, if the competition gets 'good reviews' both for content and format then it'll be repeated and more bloggers will enter. <br /><br />I too would like to see more competitions like the Test Republic Bug Advocacy challenge (I thought there would be more) - when I won that I felt very humble and thought that although I may have shone at that point it doesn't automatically mean I will shine tomorrow (the Black Swan effect). I enjoyed that challenge and learnt a lot (I wrote an <a href="http://testers-headache.blogspot.com/2009/07/moonlighting-2.html" rel="nofollow">experience report</a> about my learnings).<br /><br />Seeing more of these competitions as well would be good for the community - but they do also have a cost in terms of time and effort to the judges - public voting is 'easier'. Ooops ...Simon Morleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10629592766073538811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-19385855860714258192010-08-26T12:36:20.568+05:302010-08-26T12:36:20.568+05:30My vote goes for C, that is peer reviewing. For th...My vote goes for C, that is peer reviewing. For the XP DAys Germany there is a peer review process in place. Each participate can review session proposals up to a deadline. After the deadline the conference panel selects those sessions which seem to fit in based on the feedback from the participants, i.e. what they want to see. This is wonderful, and this works. And overcomes most of the fallacies you mentioned.Markus Gärtnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15728306418553053255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-45845390453147258142010-08-26T09:41:18.350+05:302010-08-26T09:41:18.350+05:30Exactly for the same reason i refrained from parti...Exactly for the same reason i refrained from participating in the Bug of the month contest from utest.<br /><br />I like the list of challenges for testers that you had mentioned..Really a good list -<br />"Bug Investigation Challenges, Rapid Test Planning Challenges, Test of agility challenges, Test Management Challenges, Interviewing Tester Challenges, Collaborating with Developers Challenge, Understanding Requirements Challenge"<br /><br />Such competitions will lead us/testing community to learn and move forward in right directionsSathyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14906610031251333180noreply@blogger.com