tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post4228754818630541174..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: Learning to test better by teaching testingPradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-88801773989275812372009-02-19T07:21:00.000+05:302009-02-19T07:21:00.000+05:30@ Grass is,Thanks for the information. I shall def...@ Grass is,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the information. I shall definitely try your ideas and I think it is important to know what to do when some resources we want are not available.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-91042482717911277402009-02-19T07:12:00.000+05:302009-02-19T07:12:00.000+05:30Just another small tip which might go well with yo...Just another small tip which might go well with your process explorer tool, something which I have used, if you do not have process explorer or any other tool you can still see the possible error messages from a Win16/Win32 application . Go to cmd and use the age old Edit command to open the exe file and start from the end of the file and you'll see all the strings there. Typically in a stand alone exe file, the string table happens to be at the very end of the exe, however if its linked exe, chances are that the strings are in a dll, same approach works, also if you happen to have VC6 on your system, it can do the same work, but it can also show other resources, e.g. bitmaps etc which are present in the exe or dll.(V)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07283852981910448410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-40033756671067590252009-02-17T22:43:00.000+05:302009-02-17T22:43:00.000+05:30very much impressed by this article.I have a great...very much impressed by this article.<BR/>I have a great desire to teach what I learned.<BR/><BR/>very good articleVenuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10801665714079577167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-6648895933066327942009-02-05T18:27:00.000+05:302009-02-05T18:27:00.000+05:30@Anna Borovcova,Thanks for sharing your learning a...@Anna Borovcova,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing your learning and I hope to see your notes if you plan to publish them in a blog or so.<BR/><BR/><I>This is just one of many things I learned from you and my last year experience. </I><BR/><BR/>Cool and I'd like to say I am just passing on the good information I learn plus sharing some of the learning and experienced I have.<BR/><BR/>So the credit goes to all those people from whom I benefited as well.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-60092398635841849152009-02-05T18:01:00.000+05:302009-02-05T18:01:00.000+05:30I learned a lot during last year, from you, from o...I learned a lot during last year, from you, from other pages and books, from my work and my daily experience.<BR/><BR/>And I started write some my new ideas into my notebook. Ideas that I like to share with other testers. <BR/><BR/>The last one is:<BR/>I do not ensure quality, I assess quality.<BR/>I look for informations through questioning software and process them. <BR/>Then I refine, evaluate and provide these informations to others. <BR/><BR/>This is just one of many things I learned from you and my last year experience. <BR/>Anicka<BR/>(Anna Borovcova)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-44756666871646650842009-01-29T20:21:00.000+05:302009-01-29T20:21:00.000+05:30@Rahul,I sat through your presentation at TEST2008...@Rahul,<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>I sat through your presentation at TEST2008 and one thing which I thought was (as we differ in many opinions), what you were going to discuss might be totally different from what I think, but I should first listen to you and then bring out healthy discussions, if required. It helped. I couldn't have enjoyed the "dice exercise" better!</I><BR/><BR/>Fantastic!<BR/><BR/><I>At times, I am amazed by the correlations you establish between what we do in our day to day life and things around us, with software testing. It's a good way to teach. I'm not sure about the basis of some strange feedbacks which you have received for your sessions, but I feel that teaching through practical exercises and analogies is as best as it can get!</I><BR/><BR/>I shall send you some information soon on the hands on testing results I helped Edista to produce and you'd be more convinced than ever about training freshers more practical and the value it adds.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-88866485374846088132009-01-29T17:54:00.000+05:302009-01-29T17:54:00.000+05:30Hi Pradeep,Nice Post.The example of the cup and po...Hi Pradeep,<BR/><BR/>Nice Post.<BR/><BR/>The example of the cup and pouring water is used to discuss "buffer overflows" in various texts and presentations.<BR/><BR/>I liked its analogy with a mind full of opinions as most of us fall in that category. If this generalization is pinching, to confess, many a times I have myself acted like a full cup and later when I realized the same, it was either too embarassing or a little late. Everything doesn't come with a rewind button, one can just think of acting better next time.<BR/><BR/>I sat through your presentation at TEST2008 and one thing which I thought was (as we differ in many opinions), what you were going to discuss might be totally different from what I think, but I should first listen to you and then bring out healthy discussions, if required. It helped. I couldn't have enjoyed the "dice exercise" better!<BR/><BR/>At times, I am amazed by the correlations you establish between what we do in our day to day life and things around us, with software testing. It's a good way to teach. I'm not sure about the basis of some strange feedbacks which you have received for your sessions, but I feel that teaching through practical exercises and analogies is as best as it can get!<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/><A HREF="http://www.testingperspective.com" REL="nofollow">Rahul Verma</A>Rahul Vermahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15369178470521588425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-38007362508969003522009-01-29T14:03:00.000+05:302009-01-29T14:03:00.000+05:30@PradeepYes, thats me=)@Pradeep<BR/><BR/>Yes, thats me=)Siggehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17379248618628499665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-72392788571173554952009-01-29T09:11:00.000+05:302009-01-29T09:11:00.000+05:30We need change. We need more professionals (like y...<I>We need change. We need more professionals (like yourself) to step forward and be counted. I am sure I will see that day. The questions is will that be today?</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, we need change. I am hopeful that by changing myself I have possibly been able to influence other people. I have got two e-mails from testers who are interested to take this up, better themselves as testers and also contribute to the community.<BR/><BR/>It all must have started yesterday but maybe it has to gain more momentum.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-78157850152984211262009-01-28T18:41:00.000+05:302009-01-28T18:41:00.000+05:30@Siggie,By the way, we met at the Ordev conference...@Siggie,<BR/><BR/><I>By the way, we met at the Ordev conference, talked with you and James for a short while if you remember. </I><BR/><BR/>I do remember having a conversation with someone who had just entered the testing space plus was probably forced to take a certification. Was that you?<BR/><BR/><I>I am really a novice tester, but one of my first tasks here was actually to create some teaching materials. It made me realize alot of things. And with even the slightest practical testing it created enormous value in my learning curve. I have a long way to go, but trying to learn from the wisest helps me on the way.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>One of the ways you and me will benefit is by continuing to create material to teach ourselves and others as well :)Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-11520589440287142382009-01-28T18:06:00.000+05:302009-01-28T18:06:00.000+05:30>>> what Michael Bolton said, "I am ...>>> what Michael Bolton said, "I am a character in the story of how a bug got missed". It indicates that, we testers are a part of the entire story and we do not play the hero role in a bug that missed our hands.<BR/><BR/>I think topic of "holding testers responsible for missed bugs" - requires a separate post in itself.<BR/><BR/>In todays world, where there are lots of misconceptions about testing - this is one all the managers and clients firmly believe in. If a tester is PAID for testing and finding bugs (that is not correct !!!!) - then obviously in their view - tester should be held responsible for missed bug.<BR/><BR/>So, Managers and clients impose that on testers -- Testers accept it (some happily and some desperately as there is no choice for them).<BR/><BR/>The problem lies in communicating what testing can do ... under what constraints Tester work, why complete testing is not possible, Why bugs can go missing instead of genuine attempt by testers and finally testers provide services of evaluating software which is beyond simple count or occurrence of bugs.<BR/><BR/>What worked for you? what did not?<BR/>what has been your own experience of missing bugs?<BR/><BR/>ShriniShrini Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10782753752478547381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-25180815627209128092009-01-28T17:59:00.000+05:302009-01-28T17:59:00.000+05:30Really inspiring reading, all of the above cases. ...Really inspiring reading, all of the above cases. And of course in my opinion, teaching something requires the more deeper knowledge in the subject, so not only learning from the participants, but also through formulating the teaching material, you dig deeper and gain more knowledge in it.<BR/><BR/>I am really a novice tester, but one of my first tasks here was actually to create some teaching materials. It made me realize alot of things. And with even the slightest practical testing it created enormous value in my learning curve. I have a long way to go, but trying to learn from the wisest helps me on the way.<BR/><BR/>By the way, we met at the Ordev conference, talked with you and James for a short while if you remember. <BR/><BR/>Regards, SiggeSiggehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17379248618628499665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-62699536749484957042009-01-28T14:06:00.000+05:302009-01-28T14:06:00.000+05:30Truly inspirational. The reality today is 01. Soft...Truly inspirational. <BR/><BR/>The reality today is <BR/><BR/>01. Software Testing needs it war heroes in India<BR/>02. More than a few in testing (who I am sure will not be visiting this blog) are here for the wrong reasons (did not get develop job etc) and still do not like testing. They have never even read on book/blog on testing.<BR/>03. These people spread the wrong word on software testing career and might be the reason (apart from various other testing career related myths) not many bright minds from the universities are interested in testing career.<BR/>04. Testing education in the university is, at best, 3 hours and some definitions.<BR/>05. In the open market, institutes teach testing in 16 hours and teach all the tools under the sun. And the faculty who teaches, more often that not, would have either completed a testing course a few months back or doing teaching as a stop gap arrangement before he gets a job as developer.<BR/>06. Professionals consider teaching as doing something "outside" the indutry.<BR/><BR/>We need change. We need more professionals (like yourself) to step forward and be counted. I am sure I will see that day. The questions is will that be today?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-63623778902279847662009-01-27T22:48:00.000+05:302009-01-27T22:48:00.000+05:30Yes Pradeep I sure would :)))"The woods are l...Yes Pradeep I sure would :)))<BR/><BR/>"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,<BR/>But I have promises to keep,<BR/>And miles to go before I sleep,<BR/>And miles to go before I sleep".......This is my favorite poem & I say this to myself relating to Testing.......<BR/><BR/>The girls' name ....I guess it was Smita Parab the girl sitting on the First bench.....on your right..am I correct???????Jassihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04222670123900541460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-18138213775026952482009-01-26T20:14:00.000+05:302009-01-26T20:14:00.000+05:30@Jaswinder,What inspired me more about you in the ...@Jaswinder,<BR/><BR/><I>What inspired me more about you in the training was,even though,things were getting tough you did not give up & continued with composure. I was also wondering what must Pradeep feel about us all :))</I><BR/><BR/>As you see in this post, I thank you people for offering me a challenge that I learned valuable things and I hope you learned valuable things as well.<BR/><BR/><I>Regarding the Freecell Testing I was too amazed that in one hour so many things, could be observed.It gave me an insight to my testing , my understanding of testing.</I><BR/><BR/>I am sure you are not the kind of the tester who wants to stop yourself from being amazed and you'd amaze your team mates in doing a better testing than what you witnessed.<BR/><BR/>Looking forward to hear that.<BR/><BR/>Also, could you tell me the girl's name who asked me the question, "What did you learn in these 2 days?"Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-26979063298285404362009-01-26T19:30:00.000+05:302009-01-26T19:30:00.000+05:30Hi Pradeep,What inspired me more about you in the ...Hi Pradeep,<BR/>What inspired me more about you in the training was,even though,things were getting tough you did not give up & continued with composure.<BR/><BR/>I was also wondering what must Pradeep feel about us all :))<BR/><BR/>Regarding the Freecell Testing I was too amazed that in one hour so many things, could be observed.It gave me an insight to my testing , my understanding of testing.<BR/>Kudos,Cheers,Jassihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04222670123900541460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-47143515241745651752009-01-26T17:01:00.000+05:302009-01-26T17:01:00.000+05:30@Philk,I dont do any teaching but I have found tha...@Philk,<BR/><BR/><I>I dont do any teaching but I have found that participating in the forums has been a great way to test myself and learn more</I><BR/><BR/>Oh you do, to yourself.<BR/>Oh you do, not consciously, when you participate in the forums and ask questions and provide answers.<BR/><BR/>You may have driven someone to a point that they wouldn't have driven themselves. <BR/><BR/>If given a chance you probably would do it consciously as well.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-32920749073689575032009-01-26T15:15:00.000+05:302009-01-26T15:15:00.000+05:30Just have to applaud someone who can carry on lear...Just have to applaud someone who can carry on learning whilst teaching, really good article<BR/><BR/>I dont do any teaching but I have found that participating in the forums has been a great way to test myself and learn morePhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281118161548464012noreply@blogger.com