tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post4075845756553587906..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: A letter from the worst Agile Tester in IndiaPradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-77466118085209621962011-06-22T11:14:23.505+05:302011-06-22T11:14:23.505+05:30@Wendy,
Many thanks. I am glad you like it and ho...@Wendy,<br /><br />Many thanks. I am glad you like it and hope many others will if I continue to do well.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-20670929128277164052011-06-22T11:11:36.622+05:302011-06-22T11:11:36.622+05:30I have just found this website and find it very en...I have just found this website and find it very enlightening. Pradeep i really enjoy reading your blogs they sure do spark a great debate and are awesome to read :-)Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-24332128892936693472011-06-08T13:07:46.823+05:302011-06-08T13:07:46.823+05:30Hi Pradeep Nice article!!!
As a tester my view is...Hi Pradeep Nice article!!!<br /><br />As a tester my view is Agile made me to realize that what to test, why to test, when to start or end testing and how to test(manual or automation(specially for regression testing)).<br /><br />It helped me lot on all my project testing and managing it properly.<br /><br />We use Team foundation server application to log a bug and list out requirements which we call PBI's(Product backlog items)<br /><br /><br />Sprint Planning made me to understand the project requirements and allowed me to plan or give suggestion to team.<br /><br />Scrum meeting makes lot of sense to know where we are in the current project and what all things need to do.<br /><br />all together its fantastic<br /><br />Thanks and regards,<br />Raju KrishRaju Krishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18378167114939425648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-9509753221735182952011-05-25T21:47:29.632+05:302011-05-25T21:47:29.632+05:30@Haryaniashish,
I don't find a problem with t...@Haryaniashish,<br /><br />I don't find a problem with tweaking (in fact its good) but the problem arises when they tweak in such a way to fool themselves and their client that they are agile.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-41116929908201067642011-05-25T20:06:45.184+05:302011-05-25T20:06:45.184+05:30HI PS!
Awesome content! I agree on your thought t...HI PS!<br /><br />Awesome content! I agree on your thought that no company in India follows 'AGILE' exactly.. everyone tweaks processes to suit their comfort level.. and call it customized Agile..Ashish Haryanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08251782710267562165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-64397007670060415812011-05-18T12:52:41.483+05:302011-05-18T12:52:41.483+05:30I liked your these lines the most !!
"So, my...I liked your these lines the most !!<br /><br />"So, my job is to sit with the BA's at the start of the sprint and figure out what their acceptance tests are and that's it. I mean it. That's the formula."<br /><br />Round of applause ;-)Sadanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-43893301778889996922011-05-18T12:46:24.985+05:302011-05-18T12:46:24.985+05:30Enjoyed.. ;-)
I loved the way you admitted yours...Enjoyed.. ;-) <br /><br />I loved the way you admitted yourself as a worst agile tester keeping in mind the many testers who does this typical job !! ;-)Sadanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-76043823767921858432011-05-11T11:57:57.687+05:302011-05-11T11:57:57.687+05:30Hi Pradeep,
I understand your pain of improving ...Hi Pradeep, <br /><br />I understand your pain of improving the world with a broom in hand but standing in front of a locked gate :( we need the certification for sure.. but more than this we need a community in each city where testers live ..<br /><br />please suggestSuhashttp://suhaskarpate.blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-48814012920815743952011-05-11T00:28:19.751+05:302011-05-11T00:28:19.751+05:30i need an oracle in oder to find out which pradeep...i need an oracle in oder to find out which pradeep i'm talking to. since pradeep #2 can easily fake pradeep #1.<br /><br />Great post as always.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201939042799484424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-88998534115741506482011-05-11T00:01:16.145+05:302011-05-11T00:01:16.145+05:30Super :) Enjoyed reading the post.
'The IT in...Super :) Enjoyed reading the post.<br /><br />'The IT industry in India thrives on "head count" and not brain count' is so TRUE. They dont really worry about the skills it only matters how many on billing. :P<br /><br />Regards,<br />LNLakshminarasimhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16393161996607499647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-72490921985283496752011-05-10T21:20:47.302+05:302011-05-10T21:20:47.302+05:30Very amusing and with more than a grain of truth.
...Very amusing and with more than a grain of truth.<br /><br />Just to flip it round though - <br /><br />- forget Agile, Waterfall etc, testing has become a lazy-person's game. Through my recent projects I've seen so many basic errors made because coders thought testers would pick it up, testers didn't think they had to test it.<br /><br />Frankly I think it comes down to sheer laziness throughout the project - and perhaps a belief that "Agile" means "make it up as you go along."<br /><br />We know better!Ross Hallhttp://www.dalmenyclose.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-33226144928113542742011-05-10T17:36:11.569+05:302011-05-10T17:36:11.569+05:30Hi Pradeep,
First of all nice words on the agile ...Hi Pradeep,<br /><br />First of all nice words on the agile and i do agree with you. In my company people use to call it Co-agile. LOL!!! I never get what the hell this Co-agile is? and most probably even management don't know it thus they always fail to explain it.Anony_mousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-6964251849971300412011-05-10T17:09:46.972+05:302011-05-10T17:09:46.972+05:30This is a good article, I enjoyed reading it b...This is a good article, I enjoyed reading it but I do feel that the inference that a project has to be agile and waterfall is not worth doing may be misguided. <br /><br />Your bad tester persona reminded me of an excellent post by Jakub Holy which outlines social issues which influence peoples belief that agile is not suitable for government projects. <br /><br />https://theholyjava.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/discussion-agile-not-suitable-for-governmental-it/ <br /><br /><br />There is a mismatch in social capital culture between government and the conditions under which Agile is designed to work. <br />Agile supports tend to over promise its benefits which leave them exposed in a blame culture.<br />Trust is needed between dev team and customers maming it better suited for inhouse projects.<br />Paralyzed decision-making process – nobody but the top decision makers really dares to make a decision and they are not available and/or too far away from the problem beeing solved to be able to decide properly and timely.<br />Requirement of upfront fixed price, time and scope.<br /><br />The article is quite interesting in that reflects real world experience accurately and still recommends agile but requires breaking projects into small, few-months ones or perhaps by using a hybrid agile approach.Richard Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-71503116890887070752011-05-10T13:14:47.619+05:302011-05-10T13:14:47.619+05:30Hey Pradeep,
Nice post about Agile. I have worked ...Hey Pradeep,<br />Nice post about Agile. I have worked on few Agile projects and what I have learnt and liked about Agile is it more focussed on the product being delivered to market rather than people and processes.<br /><br />As a tester, it gives me upfront info about what shape the product is going to take in future sprints and I can be ready for the change.SShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07392414409656580667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-52950477028924959622011-05-10T12:21:47.995+05:302011-05-10T12:21:47.995+05:30dae i only made that last Anonymous comment .. the...dae i only made that last Anonymous comment .. the rest are not me ...<br /><br /><br />just for your info ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-70678529686226013532011-05-10T11:05:38.080+05:302011-05-10T11:05:38.080+05:30Wow even ur second half is an amazing writer.... g...Wow even ur second half is an amazing writer.... good article... about thoughtworks hiring inidan testers... i got through thought works interview... as a tester in india who can code pradeep, and i know few indians in thought works who are doing well there... I dont believe in you saying and pin pointing IT work force of india.. a lot many good people are there... which may be out numbered by bad people... but isn't it the same in every field... 'Agile-Scrum' is an amazing process..for any kinda work and just coz few people fake it up... doesn't mean it can be demeaned.Pallavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15046163339965933249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-53671578891775171632011-05-10T10:53:44.108+05:302011-05-10T10:53:44.108+05:30hmm...
so ur alter ego (the bad tester) is against...hmm...<br />so ur alter ego (the bad tester) is against agile?<br />in our team we follow agile (hmm dont ask me to what depth i know the agile process) but i felt it was good for the team and project.we all get to know what stage the development and testing process is at.We get and give ideas.also we rotate the modules each one of us test. i feel in this process bad testers cannot survive(hmm well u r correct bad testers still do exist cause of 'head' count :D...).<br />i would like to know from the alter ego (good tester) the characteristics of a good agile tester?Preethi Anishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482891209894736306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-28137357994219748872011-05-10T10:53:15.359+05:302011-05-10T10:53:15.359+05:30hmm...
so ur alter ego (the bad tester) is against...hmm...<br />so ur alter ego (the bad tester) is against agile?<br />in our team we follow agile (hmm dont ask me to what depth i know the agile process) but i felt it was good for the team and project.we all get to know what stage the development and testing process is at.We get and give ideas.also we rotate the modules each one of us test. i feel in this process bad testers cannot survive(hmm well u r correct bad testers still do exist cause of 'head' count :D...).<br />i would like to know from the alter ego (good tester) the characteristics of a good agile tester?Preethi Anishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482891209894736306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-15188745346752493222011-05-10T08:10:52.273+05:302011-05-10T08:10:52.273+05:30@ Алексей Лупан,
Thanks a lot. How do I read your...@ Алексей Лупан,<br /><br />Thanks a lot. How do I read your name :)<br /><br />@Nandagopal,<br /><br />I help people exercise their lungs no matter what version I am :)<br /><br />@Anonymous,<br /><br />Sorry, I continue to think you lack experience. Every comment is convincing me more. Come out of the hiding and shout at me if you are even marginally bold.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-51995185752706102942011-05-10T07:58:57.489+05:302011-05-10T07:58:57.489+05:30Hi Pradeep ,
are you practicing Agile ?
well if n...Hi Pradeep ,<br /><br />are you practicing Agile ?<br />well if not its easy to start ... its a behavior change . <br /><br />everyone in an agile team learns what their counterpart does. it also brings equilibrium in the team a clean sense of team work . If there is more I than WE . that's the first failure. We need to correct our thought process and our Attitude . <br /><br />What is the best Agile Practice if someone was to ask ? well i would be telling them that its how well you behave in a sw lifecycle<br /><br />gone are those days a developer does coding and Testers test his work and builder integrates them together . <br /><br />If you want to even think your agile you need to be jack of all trades<br /><br />Thanks and RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-7530880050319420812011-05-10T07:55:34.847+05:302011-05-10T07:55:34.847+05:30Laughed like anything :) Good one..
BTW, which ve...Laughed like anything :) Good one..<br /><br />BTW, which version of PS is this twin identity? If my memory is correct, you mentioned V8 in Chennai last month :)Nandanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387015459578115728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1644087733716727822011-05-10T02:48:34.127+05:302011-05-10T02:48:34.127+05:30Deadly great the 'If our context demands to ch...Deadly great the 'If our context demands to change the stand up to sit down, we won't because you see, we are AGILE and Agile to people like us means - don't change anything that will prevent people from recognizing that we are not Agile. Simple.' phrase!<br /><br />I'm your fan!Алексей Лупанhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04889853122442215863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-41636389651172840702011-05-10T01:36:09.655+05:302011-05-10T01:36:09.655+05:30@Anonymous Scrum Master,
The bottom line for me i...@Anonymous Scrum Master,<br /><br />The bottom line for me is, I don't get why people who claim to speak truth want to hide themselves? I don't trust stuff coming from Anonymous.<br /><br />Also, in my opinion, from what I read from your comment, you lack experience (you may have number of years but that may all be doing the same thing or hardly any diversity).<br /><br />You see, I am a bad guy, who speaks bold and you are a good guy who has to hide. That's the state.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-91400957279005233702011-05-10T01:32:09.436+05:302011-05-10T01:32:09.436+05:30Ok here is the thing. Agile is just a philosophy o...Ok here is the thing. Agile is just a philosophy of testing and nothing more. There is no certain rule that one has to adhere to to really call it a Agile organization. <br /><br />Client gives a Damn what philosophy or approach you use for testing trust me when I say that if you can pitch to the client that you can get a better quality @ lower cost he can switch to any damn approach of testing. Its just driven by <b>'bottom line approach'</b> and nothing else. What makes you think companies switched from waterfall to Agile it was purely driven by BOTTOM LINE<br /><br />I remember attending an interview for a certain company where in the 1st Q they asked me was explain how that Agile works in your company. Trust me when I say this the interviewer was more interested in why we r not sticking to the textbook def of AGILE and having our own 'mutilated version' of AGILE. when I said we tweaked in our process to match our goals his response was my approach was very juvenile. well he is entitled to have an opinion but he failed to understand the basic tenet of an approach of testing 'QUALITY @ COMPETITIVE COST'<br /><br />Correct me if I am wrong all the testing methodology evolved to to deliver better quality to customers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-78692533550961401082011-05-10T01:25:29.137+05:302011-05-10T01:25:29.137+05:30@Lisa,
Thanks for your comment. We will talk more...@Lisa,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. We will talk more when we meet next time and I hope to present something like this in some Agile conference :)<br /><br />Wish I could also catch up with Gojko.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.com