tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post115752833932491508..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: The man who inspired me through his notesPradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1158483511488923912006-09-17T14:28:00.000+05:302006-09-17T14:28:00.000+05:30@Shrini, Many thanks for the detailed explanation....@Shrini,<BR/><BR/> Many thanks for the detailed explanation.<BR/><BR/>It is good for the testing community, if we have different views from each other.<BR/><BR/>I am confident that I am learning new things from you and do keep your views(comments) flowing.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1158463905671424312006-09-17T09:01:00.000+05:302006-09-17T09:01:00.000+05:30>>>>>Every bug can be interesting and uninterestin...>>>>>Every bug can be interesting and uninteresting depending on the bug report a tester writes.<BR/><BR/>I am surprised that "it is bug report that makes a bug interesting or not" - I was thinking that you are going to say - "It depends upon who is asking and how testers feels in explaining the bug". A bug report is like a Police FIR. An FIR can not make the case interesting. Right?<BR/><BR/>>>>>>>I kindly request you to let me know what are the aspects of a bug before I brand them interesting or uninteresting?<BR/><BR/>You used that word saying "Not sure whether all of us would be as fortunate as you to find a product with such interesting bugs". So I thought you have a notion of interesting bugs in a product.<BR/><BR/>If you ask me -- An interesting bug is one that is deeply hidden in the product, something that is hard to find, something that does not manifests itself in clear terms, something makes developer faint, something that makes "Tester" to look as hero, something that demostrates testers ability to look from a different eye than any one else, something that makes PM to say "thank god we haver testers" Enough?Shrini Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10782753752478547381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157891743102913582006-09-10T18:05:00.000+05:302006-09-10T18:05:00.000+05:30pradeep you are inspiring me through this blog and...pradeep you are inspiring me through this blog and after reading this tester tested blog I am learning a lot and now i love my job.<BR/><BR/>thanks you a lot pradeep , keep writing becos I want to learn a lot from here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157865807786113782006-09-10T10:53:00.000+05:302006-09-10T10:53:00.000+05:30@Shrini, Many thanks for the compliments and encou...@Shrini,<BR/><BR/> Many thanks for the compliments and encouragement.<BR/><BR/>You are lucky that you are able to meet Michael this frequently but wouldn't it be better if you had shared this on a personal mail rather than including it in a comment?<BR/><BR/><I>A question for you -- What is an interesting bug? What aspect(s) of a bug an interesting or uninteresting? </I><BR/><BR/>Every bug can be interesting and uninteresting depending on the bug report a tester writes.<BR/><BR/>I kindly request you to let me know what are the aspects of a bug before I brand them interesting or uninteresting?Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157822732121641052006-09-09T22:55:00.000+05:302006-09-09T22:55:00.000+05:30>>>Not sure whether all of us would be as fortunat...>>>Not sure whether all of us would be as fortunate as you to find a product with such interesting bugs :D<BR/><BR/>Pradeep - what you are saying? you do find a product that does not have interesting bugs? --- They all are around you ... you just need to develop eyes/mind (or senses) like "Michael" to see them --<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you wanted to say "develop senses to see bugs (interesting or otherwise) in everything around us that no one else see."<BR/><BR/>A question for you -- What is an interesting bug? What aspect(s) of a bug an interesting or uninteresting? <BR/><BR/>shriniShrini Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10782753752478547381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157822421368792882006-09-09T22:50:00.000+05:302006-09-09T22:50:00.000+05:30Good Post Pradeep --I would say this is your best ...Good Post Pradeep --<BR/><BR/>I would say this is your best blog post so far ... Very precicely laid out and has a message and lesson. Well done.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Good to see that you are following foot steps of Michael Bolton, Jon bach and Big B of testing James ...<BR/>I am also in the same path ...<BR/><BR/>While in toronto - I and Micheal meet quite regularly over lunch ...<BR/>Last meeting was about a week back.Shrini Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10782753752478547381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157788445012968022006-09-09T13:24:00.000+05:302006-09-09T13:24:00.000+05:30@Michael Bolton, Many thanks for your comment. It ...@Michael Bolton,<BR/><BR/> <B>Many thanks for your comment. It is a great honour to me to see your reply.</B><BR/><BR/>you said <I> Well, my advice is to practice taking notes, and to revisit and review them every now and then, even if there's no specific reason to do so. One thing that I've noticed is that the various modes thinking or observing something, writing something down, and reviewing it all create a stronger web of memorable relationships between the things that you're observing and recording.</I><BR/><BR/>It is a great point and this point from you, make me and could be other testers too realize the importance of taking notes, to become a better tester.<BR/><BR/>Not sure whether all of us would be as fortunate as you to find a product with such interesting bugs :D<BR/><BR/>Expecting to learn more from your future notes.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-1157660081776212582006-09-08T01:44:00.000+05:302006-09-08T01:44:00.000+05:30Hi Pradeep...First of all, thank you for the kind ...Hi Pradeep...<BR/><BR/>First of all, thank you for the kind words. In reply to your questions...<BR/><BR/><I>1. Before you boarded the flight, did you think of testing something or in other words, were you prepared to do some testing after getting into flight?</I><BR/><BR/>No--I just wanted to watch a movie. However, I found the bugs in the system to be more entertaining--for a while at least--than any of the movies that were available.<BR/><BR/><I>2. What was running in your mind when you were taking notes or in other words, did you feel you were doing whatever you did, as a practice towards developing exploratory testing approach?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, it was a form of practice. I had just recently started buying Moleskines, and I had recently the Exploratory Testing Research Summit. I wanted to practice consciously the skills that we had discussed at that meeting, and I also had in mind the idea to produce an example of those skills for the Rapid Software Testing course, of which James Bach and I are co-authors.<BR/><BR/><I>3. Have you informed the bugs you found, to the company who owns the product or in other words, do you think it is good for testers who are going to take notes, after reading your moleskine notes should inform the company about the bugs they found?</I><BR/><BR/>I thought of that, but I've been busy. Others are welcome to contact KLM on my behalf, though. <I>(grin)</I><BR/><BR/><I>4. Do you find anything else that you can share with us regarding the same?</I><BR/><BR/>Well, my advice is to practice taking notes, and to revisit and review them every now and then, even if there's no specific reason to do so. One thing that I've noticed is that the various modes thinking or observing something, writing something down, and reviewing it all create a stronger web of memorable relationships between the things that you're observing and recording.<BR/><BR/>Again, thanks for your blog entry.<BR/><BR/>---Michael B.Michael Bolton http://www.developsense.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027725699187903416noreply@blogger.com