tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post1005678688434478477..comments2023-09-01T13:36:59.610+05:30Comments on Tester Tested !: Who is making software testers, dumb and bad?Pradeep Soundararajanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-4730730185489342542011-03-03T14:07:48.274+05:302011-03-03T14:07:48.274+05:30@Anonymous,
The reason why good testers might not...@Anonymous,<br /><br />The reason why good testers might not be paid well is also because they don't know how to communicate the value they are adding. Read one of my latest post about how Manoj let know the management the value he is adding.<br /><br />And, ah, I know some good testers who are paid much more than the best of the developers the company has.Pradeep Soundararajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849721523107325938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-301111940101268832011-03-03T13:50:37.566+05:302011-03-03T13:50:37.566+05:30Very True... But being a good tester is not easy. ...Very True... But being a good tester is not easy. A bad tester has lot of time to manipulate things, win attention and to make more money. Whereas real good and hard working testers have just enough time to self satisy themselves of having done a good, thorough testing. Also, sometimes the fact that bad testers are being paid more might also demotivate them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-83933631841420454352010-12-10T15:42:05.667+05:302010-12-10T15:42:05.667+05:30Behind a bad tester is a bad mentor.
Of course if...Behind a bad tester is a bad mentor.<br /><br />Of course if you look in the mirror and see a bad tester, then you're on the road to enlightenment and becoming a better tester ... It's easier to see faults in others, harder to see it in ourselves.TestSheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05047308702049182716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-8058708659236685382010-12-04T02:02:17.000+05:302010-12-04T02:02:17.000+05:30good post. Love your insight.good post. Love your insight.shilpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06869099963649136163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-36351972439422980932010-12-03T21:00:45.598+05:302010-12-03T21:00:45.598+05:30Good blog.
I believe testing should be developed ...Good blog.<br /><br />I believe testing should be developed as an attitude. A person who is got an inclination towards manual testing cannot be forced upon automation. Similarly, person who is more interested in just analyzing the requirements cannot be asked to do system/regression testing.<br /><br />Most of the times I feel it is companies/managers forcing things upon tester or a person himself takes it upon as a challenge to negate peer pressure.SShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07392414409656580667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-43816265043003537572010-12-03T16:29:39.974+05:302010-12-03T16:29:39.974+05:30Oh, and I forgot to add.
I was put into a project...Oh, and I forgot to add. <br />I was put into a project where my skills did not match and repetitive pleas to put me in a more suitable project fell on deaf ears. I was eventually called a bad tester and another checker-tester (who was working on my previous project as my replacement instead of having that tester in the new project) was called a good tester. How dumb is that? <br /><br />-AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-45454442793904954752010-12-03T16:21:20.801+05:302010-12-03T16:21:20.801+05:30I would say it is the organization that is respons...I would say it is the organization that is responsible for making dumb testers. One org I worked for claimed that testers/testing are important and even paid the testers well. They pushed for coming up with test cases n question everything but when the time came for testing they wanted one and only one flow to be tested - they wanted to verify that this one flow worked and did not care if any other flows to reach the same output, failed. That's when I realized that it was all lip service and nothing else. They religiously held the tester responsible when the customer used some other flow and failed. <br /><br />Another org was all for testing & freedom to the tester but most of the issues were invalidated saying they weren't priority. All my pleas why they should be fixed on priority fell on deaf ears. I was held responsible - in a negative way - when the customer came back with all those issues which I had reported. Did I mention they paid peanuts too? When the next time I shut my mouth and did not defend the priority of my bugs I was told my communication skills were bad. I was even asked to leave the co. Good for me I have not deterred from being the person I was. Imagine if it were someone else? <br /><br />-AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-31711985719394774392010-12-03T16:08:17.417+05:302010-12-03T16:08:17.417+05:30Very good post Pradeep.
Besides a very good anal...Very good post Pradeep. <br /><br />Besides a very good analysis of what the driving force, or lack of driving force, may be you also hit on an important thing that I have been contemplating this week in team building and team leading.<br /><br />I got this from John Madden who in his first book, I think, wrote something like this about how to handle your team in success and during hard times. <br /><br />"You need to adjust you attitude towards your team. When you are winning everyone will pat them on their back tell them they're great. As the coach you need to get on there case more and make them work hard. Thsy can handle it, that's not a problem when they feel great about themselves and everyone tells them they're great. When you loose. You need to be more gentle and don't get on there case. Everyone else is doing that already. You need to tell them thery're ok and keep working hard and you will get back to winning. You have to be the opposite of what may come as your initial reaction."<br /><br />Not easy but it helps! Something along those lines and that was the first thing I thought of when I started reading. <br />Your point about what may motivate people not to try and become great testers is very good. To me it's important to understand, and remember, that we are all different. We are all individuals and as such we have different goals and different priorities and we need to rember to respect that and listen to people so that we understand where they're comming from.<br /><br />Again, it's a good one Pradeep. On my mind I have a bunch of ideas with me from EuroSTAR so I'll start writing again.Olahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12679909077391510827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21132099.post-46641621400786661912010-12-03T15:21:29.914+05:302010-12-03T15:21:29.914+05:30A few years ago, when I knew that I wanted to do s...A few years ago, when I knew that I wanted to do something more as a tester, but didn't know what to do[Of course, I was a lot more directionless then], all I thought was 'OK, let me give myself another chance. Let me be best at what I do right now. At the least, I am thinking of doing something big which is great in itself!'<br /><br />Over a period of time, I realised that my internal forces were bigger obstacles than anything else. How could I blame my lead or manager or director or the organization I worked for when I myself don't want to change!<br /><br />There was no looking back ever since. I quit my job and found another one in a small startup that gave me a lot more freedom to test apart from the hassle of working 11 hrs a day. But, It was FUN and it still is!<br /><br />When I look back now, As you say, people who are doing bad testing need a lot more care than the others, but are they open to learning is the question. Again, is it worth caring for them when they themselves think of others as assholes who are useless [Apologies for using that word]. <br /><br />I am sweet 16. And Yes, I am waiting desperately to see how our generation is going to fare in the years to come in testing. OK. OK. I am 30 too before you stare me in the face like you did a few months ago ;-)<br /><br />I have gotten over the internal forces, its time to move to the external ones. I only hope I have the patience and determination to fight for the profession that I am so proud of!<br /><br />Regards,<br />Wanting to be Anonymous just for this post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com