It's very sad that being noticed as major IT HUB in the IT - Revolution world wide. Government and the concerned people are paying very less attention to the quality of the websites they are dealing with.
It is one more example to the level of carelessness and the least interest in the technology they r using :(
I was Stunned and was in dilemma to say good that you catch it or say its sad that QA/Dev team missed very important point.
Many a times doing repeated things/tasks leads to blindfolds and one can simply miss a checkpoint without any reasons; This had happened with me few times as well.
I agree to the point that 'Follow Basic thumb rules while testing'
However, I think there would be some scope for improvement Always. along with a defect or two.
Great find. interestingly as you pointed out to the Portal review date being "12-3-2008" - apparently not being specific on the date format "dd-mm-yyyy" or "mm-dd-yyyy", so considering we follow "dmy" format in India, it is close to a year (12-mar-2008) since the site was reviewed unless web considered it to be "mdy" (dec 3 08) and thats about 3 months now. -Ram
I was Stunned and was in dilemma to say good that you catch it or say its sad that QA/Dev team missed very important point.
I know of many problems that testers report that dont get fixed. One of the major reasons to that could be about the testers bug advocacy skills.
Many a times doing repeated things/tasks leads to blindfolds and one can simply miss a checkpoint without any reasons; This had happened with me few times as well.
Happens to most testers that I have come across in India who test through test cases. When you become a manager or if you are already one, when you become a senior manager I hope you'd give testers reporting to you more freedom than what you had.
Great find. interestingly as you pointed out to the Portal review date being "12-3-2008" - apparently not being specific on the date format "dd-mm-yyyy" or "mm-dd-yyyy", so considering we follow "dmy" format in India, it is close to a year (12-mar-2008) since the site was reviewed unless web considered it to be "mdy" (dec 3 08) and thats about 3 months now.
I had the idea of date format but I think it is the Indian date format that people would have done because I think this project would have not been outsourced to some other country.
Spend some money from ur pocket for coffee. Avoid hunting for people especially ........ through ur blog, we obviously know whats ur core idea is through this coffee with ......... session.
Hey please dont let others know the core idea about the coffee meet. BTW, When you say "we know", do you mean You, Hon Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, President Barack Obama and others?
Meanwhile a good observation, but i don't why you had to put up with this fake accent. I am extremely sorry if you are US returned or a NRI, but you have a plastic accent though.
Meanwhile a good observation, but i don't why you had to put up with this fake accent. I am extremely sorry if you are US returned or a NRI, but you have a plastic accent though.
As plastics are not banned in India, I am continuing to have a plastic accent :)
I dont think I am faking because I dont see a need to fake. I see that it is my style and as it is uncommon for an Indian to speak so, it appears like that.
However, if someone can gain happiness by thinking I am faking the accent, I urge them not to change their idea.
Ou ou ou, You are arguing whos fault it is that the bug was missed. I envy you! Most people do not care in czech republic. Project managers, test managers, test analytics, customers. Have testing done, do what contract says, it is unnecessary to try to be better or learn how to test better. Learn how to write code or manage people instead.
People do not care about quality and if they care they cannot go against the analytics, developers and managers. They all must care, not only few members of testing team.
I envy you when you are investigate "how the bug was missed".
Most people do not care in czech republic. Project managers, test managers, test analytics, customers. Have testing done, do what contract says, it is unnecessary to try to be better or learn how to test better. Learn how to write code or manage people instead.
If you are from Czech Republic and what you are saying is true, I see a changing trend and people like you getting bothered about serving better.
Your concern shows that you are bothered about serving better and I think the younger generation would be listening to you.
Just for Pradeep: I will try Pradeep, but it is big responsibility for you, too. The last few months, I consider you my teacher because your blog. And I mentioned you and your blog (there is proper citation with this blog internet address and my short czech introduction of you)in my diploma thesis half a year ago. It is in czech, otherwise I would send you a copy of it. Only citations is first in original language and then my translation. If you visit a Prague, email me and I will buy you a cup of coffee or czech bear and we can talk about testing.
And I mentioned you and your blog (there is proper citation with this blog internet address and my short czech introduction of you)in my diploma thesis half a year ago. It is in czech, otherwise I would send you a copy of it.
How about sending a soft copy and let me see how it looks like.
I will try Pradeep, but it is big responsibility for you, too. The last few months, I consider you my teacher because your blog.
When you are considering me as your teacher I'd like to help you more by saying, "Do not believe what I say unless you have done strong questioning and analysis to believe it"
If you visit a Prague, email me and I will buy you a cup of coffee or czech bear and we can talk about testing.
I wish I had your e-mail to be able to mail you when I am there.
Hey wait, I also wish I got some testing work or a workshop in Czech Republic :)
1. Pradeep - love your struts...I am a US analyst/tester, worked for all the big guys, and can't say how many times I've been shut down from being productive by being told to 'run the script'...you are a shining beacon for the rest of us 'bright-feathered birds'. If I'm working, I don't have time to surf & blog, but since I'm at liberty now I do...and what a pleasure to find your stuff. Validates my ravings, and soothes my soul.
2. I've worked with enough Indians to know your accent is real...the difference is that since you know what you are talking about, and I know what you are talkng about, the characteristic anomolies in your english are immaterial, and rather charming and funny. If, however, I have reason to be engaged with someone with an accent who does not know what they are talking about, or just bs'ing me, I have a very hard time understanding them.
3. Kudos for your gov't site catch - the most interesting thing is how you reported the bug..the video is great, but could have been done with screenshots in the absence of a video recording tool...(for those who think it they need fancy tools)
4. Why aren't you training everybody in India? So many I've worked with here just can't get what I'm talking about, and since most of the managers & testers are Indian consultants, is it true that they are just better at bs ing the hiring bosses?
We QA really have to stick together - like birds of a feather ! lol :>
1. Pradeep - love your struts...I am a US analyst/tester, worked for all the big guys, and can't say how many times I've been shut down from being productive by being told to 'run the script'...you are a shining beacon for the rest of us 'bright-feathered birds'. If I'm working, I don't have time to surf & blog, but since I'm at liberty now I do...and what a pleasure to find your stuff. Validates my ravings, and soothes my soul.
Thanks for your kind words. Its been a long time since someone encouraged me so much on my blog.
2. I've worked with enough Indians to know your accent is real...the difference is that since you know what you are talking about, and I know what you are talkng about, the characteristic anomolies in your english are immaterial, and rather charming and funny. If, however, I have reason to be engaged with someone with an accent who does not know what they are talking about, or just bs'ing me, I have a very hard time understanding them.
Precisely. I think if I was faking, I couldn't have been consistent with the accent.
3. Kudos for your gov't site catch - the most interesting thing is how you reported the bug..the video is great, but could have been done with screenshots in the absence of a video recording tool...(for those who think it they need fancy tools)
Yeah
4. Why aren't you training everybody in India? So many I've worked with here just can't get what I'm talking about, and since most of the managers & testers are Indian consultants, is it true that they are just better at bs ing the hiring bosses?
Well, I have been doing lots of training over the last 3 years. However, India is so populated that my coverage might be less.
For your question of Indians not understanding what you are saying, I have heard that comment from other American folks as well. I conjecture based on my experiments to find out why that happens, it goes back to our schooling where we are made to feel bad when we say, "I don't know" and that is just one of the core reasons.
We QA really have to stick together - like birds of a feather ! lol :>
ah...the inability to say "I don't know" syndrome is indeed the cause of many missed opportunities to actually find out, but it does take some confidence to say it out loud. Even americans have this problem, especially when we are younger, but it is perhaps easier to overcome because we are so brash!
Anyway, thanks for your thanks, and you can count on my continued support and appreciation.
Hi Pradeep, I have attended your training in my company Sungard and I really liked it as compared to the other testing trainings I have seen. I hope you do remember me. Your approach is really different. You make testers to feel worthy for the kind of work they are & will be doing. And that makes the difference.
Very good catch,
ReplyDeleteIt's very sad that being noticed as major IT HUB in the IT - Revolution world wide. Government and the concerned people are paying very less attention to the quality of the websites they are dealing with.
It is one more example to the level of carelessness and the least interest in the technology they r using :(
- parashu
@Parashuram,
ReplyDeleteIts not that they are not bothered about the quality, it is that they dont really know much about quality and their ideas are too narrow.
Pradeep,
ReplyDeleteI was Stunned and was in dilemma to say good that you catch it or say its sad that QA/Dev team missed very important point.
Many a times doing repeated things/tasks leads to blindfolds and one can simply miss a checkpoint without any reasons; This had happened with me few times as well.
I agree to the point that 'Follow Basic thumb rules while testing'
However, I think there would be some scope for improvement Always. along with a defect or two.
Experts views are awaited.
~Swapnil.
Great find.
ReplyDeleteinterestingly as you pointed out to the Portal review date being "12-3-2008" - apparently not being specific on the date format "dd-mm-yyyy" or "mm-dd-yyyy", so considering we follow "dmy" format in India, it is close to a year (12-mar-2008) since the site was reviewed unless web considered it to be "mdy" (dec 3 08) and thats about 3 months now.
-Ram
@Swapnil,
ReplyDeleteI was Stunned and was in dilemma to say good that you catch it or say its sad that QA/Dev team missed very important point.
I know of many problems that testers report that dont get fixed. One of the major reasons to that could be about the testers bug advocacy skills.
Many a times doing repeated things/tasks leads to blindfolds and one can simply miss a checkpoint without any reasons; This had happened with me few times as well.
Happens to most testers that I have come across in India who test through test cases. When you become a manager or if you are already one, when you become a senior manager I hope you'd give testers reporting to you more freedom than what you had.
@Ram,
ReplyDeleteGreat find.
interestingly as you pointed out to the Portal review date being "12-3-2008" - apparently not being specific on the date format "dd-mm-yyyy" or "mm-dd-yyyy", so considering we follow "dmy" format in India, it is close to a year (12-mar-2008) since the site was reviewed unless web considered it to be "mdy" (dec 3 08) and thats about 3 months now.
I had the idea of date format but I think it is the Indian date format that people would have done because I think this project would have not been outsourced to some other country.
Reg Coffee with Pradeep Soundararajan,
ReplyDeleteSpend some money from ur pocket for coffee.
Avoid hunting for people especially ........ through ur blog, we obviously know whats ur core idea is through this coffee with ......... session.
@Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteSpend some money from ur pocket for coffee. Avoid hunting for people especially ........ through ur blog, we obviously know whats ur core idea is through this coffee with ......... session.
Hey please dont let others know the core idea about the coffee meet. BTW, When you say "we know", do you mean You, Hon Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, President Barack Obama and others?
Pradeep,
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile a good observation, but i don't why you had to put up with this fake accent. I am extremely sorry if you are US returned or a NRI, but you have a plastic accent though.
Apart, a noble thought though.
@Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile a good observation, but i don't why you had to put up with this fake accent. I am extremely sorry if you are US returned or a NRI, but you have a plastic accent though.
As plastics are not banned in India, I am continuing to have a plastic accent :)
I dont think I am faking because I dont see a need to fake. I see that it is my style and as it is uncommon for an Indian to speak so, it appears like that.
However, if someone can gain happiness by thinking I am faking the accent, I urge them not to change their idea.
Ou ou ou, You are arguing whos fault it is that the bug was missed. I envy you!
ReplyDeleteMost people do not care in czech republic. Project managers, test managers, test analytics, customers. Have testing done, do what contract says, it is unnecessary to try to be better or learn how to test better.
Learn how to write code or manage people instead.
People do not care about quality and if they care they cannot go against the analytics, developers and managers. They all must care, not only few members of testing team.
I envy you when you are investigate "how the bug was missed".
@Anna,
ReplyDeleteMost people do not care in czech republic. Project managers, test managers, test analytics, customers. Have testing done, do what contract says, it is unnecessary to try to be better or learn how to test better.
Learn how to write code or manage people instead.
If you are from Czech Republic and what you are saying is true, I see a changing trend and people like you getting bothered about serving better.
Your concern shows that you are bothered about serving better and I think the younger generation would be listening to you.
Just for Pradeep:
ReplyDeleteI will try Pradeep, but it is big responsibility for you, too. The last few months, I consider you my teacher because your blog.
And I mentioned you and your blog (there is proper citation with this blog internet address and my short czech introduction of you)in my diploma thesis half a year ago. It is in czech, otherwise I would send you a copy of it. Only citations is first in original language and then my translation. If you visit a Prague, email me and I will buy you a cup of coffee or czech bear and we can talk about testing.
@Anna,
ReplyDeleteAnd I mentioned you and your blog (there is proper citation with this blog internet address and my short czech introduction of you)in my diploma thesis half a year ago. It is in czech, otherwise I would send you a copy of it.
How about sending a soft copy and let me see how it looks like.
I will try Pradeep, but it is big responsibility for you, too. The last few months, I consider you my teacher because your blog.
When you are considering me as your teacher I'd like to help you more by saying, "Do not believe what I say unless you have done strong questioning and analysis to believe it"
If you visit a Prague, email me and I will buy you a cup of coffee or czech bear and we can talk about testing.
I wish I had your e-mail to be able to mail you when I am there.
Hey wait, I also wish I got some testing work or a workshop in Czech Republic :)
ok, I have to jump in...
ReplyDelete1. Pradeep - love your struts...I am a US analyst/tester, worked for all the big guys, and can't say how many times I've been shut down from being productive by being told to 'run the script'...you are a shining beacon for the rest of us 'bright-feathered birds'. If I'm working, I don't have time to surf & blog, but since I'm at liberty now I do...and what a pleasure to find your stuff. Validates my ravings, and soothes my soul.
2. I've worked with enough Indians to know your accent is real...the difference is that since you know what you are talking about, and I know what you are talkng about, the characteristic anomolies in your english are immaterial, and rather charming and funny. If, however, I have reason to be engaged with someone with an accent who does not know what they are talking about, or just bs'ing me, I have a very hard time understanding them.
3. Kudos for your gov't site catch - the most interesting thing is how you reported the bug..the video is great, but could have been done with screenshots in the absence of a video recording tool...(for those who think it they need fancy tools)
4. Why aren't you training everybody in India? So many I've worked with here just can't get what I'm talking about, and since most of the managers & testers are Indian consultants, is it true that they are just better at bs ing the hiring bosses?
We QA really have to stick together - like birds of a feather ! lol :>
@Kristin,
ReplyDelete1. Pradeep - love your struts...I am a US analyst/tester, worked for all the big guys, and can't say how many times I've been shut down from being productive by being told to 'run the script'...you are a shining beacon for the rest of us 'bright-feathered birds'. If I'm working, I don't have time to surf & blog, but since I'm at liberty now I do...and what a pleasure to find your stuff. Validates my ravings, and soothes my soul.
Thanks for your kind words. Its been a long time since someone encouraged me so much on my blog.
2. I've worked with enough Indians to know your accent is real...the difference is that since you know what you are talking about, and I know what you are talkng about, the characteristic anomolies in your english are immaterial, and rather charming and funny. If, however, I have reason to be engaged with someone with an accent who does not know what they are talking about, or just bs'ing me, I have a very hard time understanding them.
Precisely. I think if I was faking, I couldn't have been consistent with the accent.
3. Kudos for your gov't site catch - the most interesting thing is how you reported the bug..the video is great, but could have been done with screenshots in the absence of a video recording tool...(for those who think it they need fancy tools)
Yeah
4. Why aren't you training everybody in India? So many I've worked with here just can't get what I'm talking about, and since most of the managers & testers are Indian consultants, is it true that they are just better at bs ing the hiring bosses?
Well, I have been doing lots of training over the last 3 years. However, India is so populated that my coverage might be less.
For your question of Indians not understanding what you are saying, I have heard that comment from other American folks as well. I conjecture based on my experiments to find out why that happens, it goes back to our schooling where we are made to feel bad when we say, "I don't know" and that is just one of the core reasons.
We QA really have to stick together - like birds of a feather ! lol :>
Oh yes!
ah...the inability to say "I don't know" syndrome is indeed the cause of many missed opportunities to actually find out, but it does take some confidence to say it out loud. Even americans have this problem, especially when we are younger, but it is perhaps easier to overcome because we are so brash!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, thanks for your thanks, and you can count on my continued support and appreciation.
Hi Pradeep,
ReplyDeleteI have attended your training in my company Sungard and I really liked it as compared to the other testing trainings I have seen. I hope you do remember me. Your approach is really different. You make testers to feel worthy for the kind of work they are & will be doing.
And that makes the difference.
Thanks,
Shirish Deshpande
@Shirish,
ReplyDeleteMany thanks for the kind words. My mission is to help testers like you and based on what you have written it looks like I did my job descent.
I hope to see you soon in Sungard if you and other testers get me back there ;)