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hi,
Regards
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To which I replied:
Listen to this : http://www.skilledtests.com/
The industry needs more people like you. Your parents will be so proud of you. By the way I think you would be happy to know that your father also got a job faking.
Thanks,
-- Pradeep Soundararajan
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Hi
You dont have to be so angry for this. I am not saying that I am doing the right thing. I am searching for a job for 9 months. first i put fresher and searched for intern projects, no one called me. then i put 2 years and i searched no called me. then i put 3 years, 2 recruiters called me. I need a job badly for family reasons, I am ready to work my soul off, but nobody is willing to take me trusting my abilities, i am pushed to this situation. its not like i can walk away with a job using fake experience, there are 3-4 level rigourous interrviews where i have to explain all the QA concepts, tell about the projects i have put in my resume ok.... its tougher for me than for someone who has true experience. When i get a job i am not gonna ease off, i have to work 12 hours a day in US to keep that job.
without knowing about my bitter experience, rejections and mental agony, please dont pass judgements.
what are u talking about my father ?
bye
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Hi XXXX,
If you went through the podcast I ,you would know what I meant or why I sound angry.
Its not the situation pushed you to do it, it is you who pushed yourself to do so.
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Tomorrow, your child would feel the same. In this 9 months you could have worked on an open source project, gained true testing experience and be honest to interviewers.
If you appear to win today with faking experience, your future is dark. Testing is about speaking truth and you start a career in testing with a lie.
-- Pradeep Soundararajan
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hi,
I am daily preparing test cases and test plan for yahoo, google, youtube as a practise.... i cant work as intern since i have to earn money for my son's daycare. Even if they ask for freshers, they want college students, people like me who took a gap for marriage and child birth are left with no choice. so dont jump to conclusions that i am a fruad and cheat.
i am determined to get a job at the earliest, but its the employers who totally crush my efforts by saying that I need to know Perl, VB script, java script, Java, Oracle etc for manual testing, which i am not even gonna use in reality.
Its not that, if i put fake i am immediately gonna get a job, i have to first answer all the questions and prove myself to them, so only if i am brilliant I am gonna get hired. So faking exp is only a small gateway pass I am using so that my resume shows up in the random keyword search done by recruiters.
My son will understand the struggles i have been through surely, but what really matters is if i do my job nicely and sincerely.
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Hi XXXX,
I am surprised to know that you have a son to feed and you haven't yet settled in a job. But those reasons wouldn't get any sympathy for you in the IT industry.
By practicing to write test cases to the ones you mentioned, you aren't practicing testing. Instead some open source project would have helped by now to demonstrate that you really did test something.
Also, if you are applying to jobs that ask for VB, Dot Net, XYZ and you either dont have them or dont want to work on them then you are applying for incorrect jobs.
The more time you spend on applying for a wrong job then the less time you have for the jobs you might be suited to.
Did you try LinkedIN?
How about putting up a post in LinkedIN stating that you want a job and blah blah blah is your situation and you don't want to fake your experience. People would appreciate your honesty.
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If you can predict that, get into prediction and you will make more money than being in testing.
I dont know your personal problems but if you have to feed your son till he gets big enough to feed himself and probably you then you might not want to fake. Its tough but not impossible.
How about putting all your test cases online and send a link to the people who have job openings who might look at that want to appreciate your practice and efforts?
There is just one way of being truthful and its the most courageous way.
Thanks,
-- Pradeep Soundararajan
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Regards
XXX
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Hi XXXX
It appears to me that you dont want to learn. For instance there appears to be no tinge of fear in you after me letting you know that you may be jailed for faking. It also might affect your own self respect. I am asking you to be concerned about your own future but the present appears to be more burning for you.
I dont understand how you wanted to be a QA/Test Engineer. I am sure its not your passion but an entry point or maybe you think testing or getting a job in it is easy. Probably that's how someone misguided you.
Jerry Weinberg said something like, "When we are confused our mind falls prey to infertile suggestions from others" and I see it in action in your case, too.
You may make a big name in something you are passionate about in the non-IT space. What organizations ask for is experience and they have the right to ask for it. What people like you do after seeing those ads is to fake the experience hoping that you might get job that way.
I hope your son would prefer not to go to school because despite whatever education the schools you studied has taught, you have grown up to be a faker.
Why send your son to school when all the school teaches is "Speak truth" and "Honesty is the best policy" - none of which you haven't learn? What's the value of education you want to impart when he discovers that he need not practice the good things he learns?
Is IT industry merciless?
You want the IT industry to show mercy against you people? It's business that drives IT and not charity and sympathy towards fakers like you.
I believe in God apart from believing in truth and other good things. I shall pray that you get a job but I shall also pray that you and your son doesn't realize the mistake you are committing for if you or your son ever realizes it in your life, life will become miserable.
Thanks,
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Pradeep Soundararajan
hi
i am passionate about testing, i dont want to go in any other fields which i actually got offers, like bank and teaching. i want IT, i love computers and software and its workings.. thats why i took a course and working so hard. I dont fear fake exp because, i have prepared so hard and i can speak for the years i have faked. the jailing and stuff is irrelevant for me since i have put that i worked in my friends company for which he will give reference.
why are u making this a big issue. did anyone put fake exp and go ahead of u and excelled more than u ? has that deeply affected u ? u seem to really over exagerate stuff. this is the way of life, its the survival of the fittest.... since i had visa problems i was backlagging, now i am in the race too.... at the end of the day hardwork and brilliance counts.... whether u have exp, knowledge or principles it doesnt matter. whether u deliver a quality software before the deadline is what employers look for. as my QA instructor said "its a open secret that everybody at point or another fakes exp"
Regards
XXXXX
Regards XXXX
A software tester from Oracle Corporation in India had e-mailed to me last year, mentioning that I am spoiling India's name globally after listening to the podcast http://www.skilledtests.com/
I replied to him that he should probably be mailing it to people who fake their experience and not me because I am helping people to be aware with the problems of faking experience.
When I search for fake experience in my Gmail inbox, I get to see 67 conversations that has happened between me and about 67 fakers, none of whom wanted to learn its a bad idea and most people did not reply after my first reply to them. I don't know why many testers in India don't consider this as a problem and educate other people and their own college juniors about it. I do that. I have had a person from Hyderabad, India who wanted to travel to either UK or Europe with a fake experience certificate. I spoiled his happiness by letting him know why I think its a bad idea and might not make him successful and he called me up, not to thank but to scold me for the good job I did.
In this context, I have a message to you, your manager, your HR managers:
- Test the tester: Do not test a tester for his ability to memorize. You might end up hiring a person who is good at memorizing than testing. You might want to give him a software to test and ask him to demonstrate his testing skills. BUT if you'd want to test a tester, your staff should know how to test a tester? You might want to consider going through this video
- Know the truth about your staff: If your staff doesn't know how to test a tester for testing skills then they don't know testing. You might be disappointed to know they are eating up your profits but might be happy when you get them off.
- Learn what's good stuff to ask for it: If you don't know what kind of skills attributes testers skills, you would end up asking stuff like Techniques in testing, SDLC Models, Certifications, Tools and other things that are easy to fake.
- Recognize that it is your problem: Going back to Jerry and Don Gause's question: Whose problem is it? If you think its not your problem, you might think less about it when something goes wrong and you would never know what caused it but might attribute it to something else, try fixing it and end up in pleasing someone that "it worked".
- Act against fakers and make it public: I know of some organizations in India who have fired people when they found out that they faked and even some went to jail because they put the organization's credibility at stake in front of their customers. All of which is not public news. If you make the news public, you are giving a strong message to those planning to fake to work hard. In turn the community is cleaner than what it is today.
How about faking to people that you didn't know people fake?
You don't need to share or forward this to anyone, its just for you. Keep all good things within you because if you share the community becomes better.
I want to see the community becoming better. Is that a problem?
So, whose problem is it? Its my problem. And remember, not yours. If its mine, I better do something about it.
A problem is the difference between what is desired and what is perceived -- Jerry Weinberg
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Hi pradeep,
thank you very much for providing really valuable ideas for our tester community. today i read your post on putting fake experiance for getting into a good testing job. i my self was in thought of putting some fake exp to get some calls. i have got two years of real exp and currently working as a test engineer. i didn't want to put that extra fake exp and get through screening process and get a more rewarding job than the current one.
the job i currently doing is really boaring and less paying. no assignments, no testing work to do regularly. i really don't have idea about what to do in my current situation. how can i add more value to my current employer and myself.how can i improve my testing skills, so that i don't need to put any fake exp to get a good job and good feeling.
@Srinivas,
thank you very much for providing really valuable ideas for our tester community.
In the search of the purpose of my life, I claimed to have figured out that I'd like to benefit the tester community and I belong to that community. I benefit myself and share it with others to enhance my benefits.
i my self was in thought of putting some fake exp to get some calls. i have got two years of real exp and currently working as a test engineer. i didn't want to put that extra fake exp and get through screening process and get a more rewarding job than the current one.
I honestly appreciate you for not faking your experience and being honest. I also hope other readers of my blog would appreciate you for that.
the job i currently doing is really boaring and less paying. no assignments, no testing work to do regularly. i really don't have idea about what to do in my current situation. how can i add more value to my current employer and myself.how can i improve my testing skills, so that i don't need to put any fake exp to get a good job and good feeling.
Does finding bugs make you happy?
If it does then find more ( and if that's the mission )
Do you read books?
How about spending money on Jerry Weinberg's latest book on testing - Perfect Software and other Illusions about Testing
You might want to read a post in this blog where I have written about monotonous testing and who is responsible for that.
If you have been reading my blog then you might have bumped into Rapid Software Testing slides and appendices. Did you try practicing them?
How about teaching other testers the good stuff you learn?
How about educating your management about testing by demonstrating what better testing is?
How about coming down to attend my workshop?
How about creating a testers group in Hyderabad to discuss how to do better testing?
How about blogging your experiences and asking people to challenge your ideas?
How about participating in Test Republic?
How about doing at least some of these?
Treat your job as something that gives you bread and rice and enjoy practicing better testing and practicing it for you never know what is your next challenge in life?
Hang on, learn, keep learning, keep practicing and enjoy the benefits by connecting the dots.
You are a hero to a lot of people now as you avoided faking. So enjoy being a hero for a while and move on to be hero in more contexts.
Hi Pradeep,
Today this blog has refreshed my memory about an incident of my colleague in my previous work place who faked on experience to get a job in a bigggg company!
My dear colleague had 1.5 years of exp in Java but faked it to 2 years just to qualify the criteria for that well-known company. Later during the telephonic interview in which my dear colleague failed badly...still managed to get a job in that job there becuz my colleague's cousin was working there as a TL & the interviewee was his best friend.
What suprised me actually was this that my colleague's cousin & that PM had deliberately asked my colleague to add fake exp!!!!!
I had a bit hard time to digest this cuz i feel sometimes higher authorities also take part in such filthy stuff. ALl the above 3 specified people are still working for the same company. The only difference is that my colleague now again wants to change job & I hope he doesn't repeat the faking stuff stuff this time.
@Roshni,
The story is not surprising me. I don't want to disclose the name but some BIG organizations do this to get people on a specific project.
If I have a large set of non billable resources and a customer demands some skills that my current pool of non billable resources do not possess, I as an organization fake it.
The faking is not just about the individual - organizations do that, too.
I don't see anyone admitting it. I thank you for bringing your story to my blog.
Today's Times of India news paper had an article about the percentage of non utilized resources in large services organization. It's a troublesome figure at around 50 percent to 60 percent.
Hi Pradeep,
I passed on this blog to a colleague of mine & to my surprise he ended up in saying - "What's the big deal in having fake exp? This all sounds too filmy.... Pradeep's thoughts appear very bookish."
I was stunned for a minute not sure how to react. Then later I replied - "Try out for yourself if you believe that what Pradeep said is all bookish & doesn't make any sense." I now have a challenge in front of me to change the mindset of such people & I believe that with the help of your blog I'll atleast try to make a difference.
@Roshni,
I passed on this blog to a colleague of mine & to my surprise he ended up in saying - "What's the big deal in having fake exp? This all sounds too filmy.... Pradeep's thoughts appear very bookish."
Its not his problem so he might have said that. He doesn't consider the idea that the software testing community should become better or is worried about its credibility.
If you look at a lot of testers in forums like orkut software testing communities, yahoo and google groups they often ask a question: "Does testing have a future?" and if they find information it doesn't ( from someone who claims that ) they jump on to something that they think has a brighter future.
Those kind of people are not bothered about helping the community get better if its in a bad shape. It's people like me and you who are bothered about it.
If my knowledge on this is bookish, ask him to show which book talks about faking experience or he considers books to be not so good resources to learn. If he considers books as not so good resources then he hasn't read a good book yet.
I was stunned for a minute not sure how to react. Then later I replied - "Try out for yourself if you believe that what Pradeep said is all bookish & doesn't make any sense." I now have a challenge in front of me to change the mindset of such people & I believe that with the help of your blog I'll atleast try to make a difference.
If you want to make a difference, of course you may use my blog but you may also want to write on on your own.
As you try to change people and learn that they don't want to change - you would end up learning more about yourself.
I don't want to change people but I'd like to see changes happening for the good. I do stuff that might or might not influence people.
If it doesn't influence them then they might not want to be influenced by me but maybe someone else and that someone else could be you.
Hi Pradeep
I work in the IT line of a firm where trust and honesty are considered the cornerstone of our business. I have over 8 yrs of exp. The first tester I interviewed and approved(about 2 yrs back) turned out to be a fake!
So here are some stories
1. A cv of 1.5 yrs testing exp interviewed telephonically. My first interview and I asked all the questions that can be learnt. Job gotten the persons' deliverables left a lot to be desired within 1 week. Showed no acumen for being able to learn beyond what's showing on the screen.
2. A sr tester with 4 yrs exp - again interviewed telephonic.
2 rounds of interview - reasonably good with reference to practical problems and situations. Suitable communication skills. Well, not faked experience for sure. Take him in.
1 week after joining
- Can barely speak English. Horrible grammar in writing.
- Does not even ask me questions face to face, so only imagine what he will do with an American client over phone or videocon.
- and God! We are paying him a lot of money!
Surely we did not interview this guy!
He loses his job. I lose my faith on telephonic interviews.
So now - out station candidates have 2 rounds of Surprise interviews. Often the interview comment reads - "Cannot okay unless interviewed F2F."
RESULT - Capable outstation candidates lose.
3- Face2Face interview - 2+ exp.
Good communication, smart person. We start with giving a real situation from our work and ask her to write test steps for it. - Performance poor. Can barely think beyond the login page.
Then start asking about the "tools" experience in her CV. 5 mins of chat and you know she hasn't seen what's written in her own CV. So how did her CV get to my desk. Turns out her husband works in another IT company and placed her CV here through an agency.
I'm furious!
Sadly,( my problem and fault) we don't take action against these cases other than throw them out of office. We should. I should.
@Somu,
I loved reading your comment, especially the way you ended it.
This powerful one: We should. I should. I mean.
If a lot of testers like me and you fight against it then I think we can wipe it out.
People think testing is an easy job and so can be faked easily. If we as testers don't test the candidates, we might not be able to take better informed decision about them.
It is the less informed decision that has been helping those fakers to survive and some unlucky ones get caught and are thrown out of jobs.
To add to faking profiles to make people join a project, sometime companies also fake the telephonic interviews with the client to get resources onboard. Who taught whom to fake? and who taught whom to justify its ok to fake?
I guess companies must get together to form a centralized database of fake resumes. Many people would have thot about this already but somehow its not being implemented. May be we should take some initiative.
@Mohan PSK,
Who taught whom to fake? and who taught whom to justify its ok to fake?
Two wonderful questions Mohan.
I guess companies must get together to form a centralized database of fake resumes. Many people would have thot about this already but somehow its not being implemented. May be we should take some initiative.
Yeah. Let's do something on it to help the community get better.
@Flights of Fantasy,
Wht a shame... u are wht ppl say "just talk" and no work. i have read most of your blogs and mostly i feel that you think you feel as if you are the GOD for testing which my dear friend you are not.
Oh, I didn't know that I am not God. Thanks for that.
if i was in your place first i would have given a helping hand in giving him a "open source project" and then would have explained him everything.
Here is a Chinese proverb: If I give you a fish today, you aren't hungry tonight. If I teach you how to fish, you aren't hungry for a lifetime.
i have 4.5 years of exp which i got by sweating myself and burning my blood day and night. many of my friends have shown fake exp and are presently in US, i do get angry against them but i know what they have gone through. Its very easy to comment on any one dude but very difficult in givving a helping hand.
Here is the same Chinese proverb: If I give you a fish today, you aren't hungry tonight. If I teach you how to fish, you aren't hungry for a lifetime.
Plus thanks for letting us know you know a lot of fakers and they are your friends who are enjoying in the United States.
If you really had the guts to face people you would not be having "Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author". i donot know if my comment would be posted but i hope you would come down to reality.
Comment Moderation is for avoiding spam. If you read my blog and you read comments section you might have noticed that I have allowed intelligent people like you post their views on me.
I bet you also would have faked (something which you donot poccess but flaunt that you know about it) some time or the other.
Oh, you know that. Please don't tell it to anyone.
i still like to go through your blogs as they give a lot of thinking stuff.
As I said earlier, you are intelligent. I think you can be more intelligent if you stop reading my blog and also don't ask your faker friends to read any of my posts. It makes them feel sick about themselves.
I don't even know you nor did mention anything specific about you. Despite that it boiled you enough to post this comment which appears to have an anger tone behind it.
The industry needs more people like you. Your parents will be so proud of you. By the way I think you would be happy to know that your father also got a job faking.
Wondering what his father has got to do with this ?
@Abhinav,
Wondering what his father has got to do with this ?
Not to my knowledge people let their parents know that they are faking. If they come to know I am sure at least within India, parents would be disappointed about it or might not be so proud about their children working in United States faking.
However, I am trying to help people understand how their next generation would suffer to hear their dad faked!
@Pradeep,
IMHO, there are better ways to drive home the point (and you have already done that in your post) than use unnecessary references to family.
@Abhinav,
Point taken. Thanks.
@ Abhinav & Flights of Fantasy,
I think references given about fakers family is to make that faker realise his mistake.
By giving family references I feel Pradeep wanted to make him understand that 'If his parents would done such thing how would he have felt about that.....the same agony his child will be going through when he'll find out how his dishonest was'.
I feel instead of just pinpointing negativity try to take positive things from this blog.
@Roshni,
Abhinav's didn't point any negativity but helped me improve on some aspects that I could have done better.
Flights of Fantasy is and was idiotic but he did what he is best at doing - lack of any critical analysis and lack of contextual thinking.
You might want to rethink about Abhinav's comment because I liked the way he drove the point to me.
Lets get out about this family stuff and focus on the message.
This is a purely made up conversation in order to promote a blog. The page views must have gone up after this.
@Anonymous,
If its made up and for increasing the hits on my blog, why didn't I do it earlier?
If I write to get hits, my blog wouldn't be influential to people or even myself.
Good post Pradeep. Keep it up.
@Poundararajan .. yes you the author.
Do not "pound" way so hard Pounder.. relax. Take a chill pill.
Diffuse your ego a little bit.. it's already the size of Himalayas.
And for God's sake DROP THE FAKE ACCENT!
@Pounder Pounded,
Thanks for your comment. Yes my Ego is already the size of Himalayas and I am trying to grow it bigger. Is that your problem or your family problem that you seem to be so concerned?
Regarding the fake accent, yeah, I love faking accent that irritates people like you.
Hi Pradeep,
Don't let any pessimistic ideas to flow in , route the original problem wht she has or wht people participate in debate.
Fake is somewht like corruption flowing under the bed silently.
If anybody wants a living anybody can live with honesty.
But unfortunately Honesty sounds strange to the society,some people have forgot the meaning of the word too.
If anybody is thriving from hunger don't let honesty go away from the path.Can't anybody get a piece of bread in INDIA.I am not preaching understand root of the problem then lets stive together .don't go into personals as problem can be understood by a person who is undergoing ONLY.
i am also testing engineer from HYDERBAD
@Srinivas,
can u let me know how to find and work on open source testing projects
The answer is here in the following link: http://tinyurl.com/6rkunt
Hi Pradeep'
I have gone through all the comments on your blog.Its nice to see that you are trying to promote ethics honesty fighting against faking etc etc .....but I feel that some where the IT company policies/rules are also the major reason.
A friend of mine who is B.E graduate passed out in Jan 2006 and for 18 months he worked in telecom company as site engineer.learnt testing tools. Now if he is posting his resume as a fresher with a genuine data( worked as site engineer)he is not getting any calls from recruiters as they need only freshers who are still in college campus.A person who has sound knowledge enough to get into an IT company as a fresher is not even called for interviews or should i say not even given a chance to prove his knowledge.
A person with knowledge and talent is sitting at home going through job portals ,hoping and awaiting for that "call" from recruiters and on other hand his peers or colleagues just by shelling out few bucks or "personal contacts"(read in this blog that some one got job coz of very close contacts with the TL) nicely gets a job gets settled in life gets married and is enjoying his life. the other person with all the ethics and morals and a genuine resume is not even picked up or short listed for an interview.
I strongly feel that these IT companies rules like either they should be fresher or should not have a gap are some times very foolish.Very rarely there are walk ins in some companies ....and even a person like my friend gets in there is ever chance of getting rejected because of that so called "gap".IT industry needs talented people so look for them if they have talent and meet the requirements take them in, why to look for that so called "gap".
The society we are living in is not like that of humans it has become like a jungle where the "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" phrase rules and people get the fittest tag either by hook or crook.
I just conclude that IT companies should also change the way they select candidates for interviews.
@Anonymous,
.....but I feel that some where the IT company policies/rules are also the major reason. and I just conclude that IT companies should also change the way they select candidates for interviews.
When you say IT companies are you talking about the beautiful buildings and boards or people who are a part of it?
It is people who make the IT company and those people include me and you. As long as we keep saying, "They should do it first", they will not be doing it.
If you realize you, me and others are a part of it and it is WE who have to bring in the change, you might be able to bring in the change.
My blog, writing and podcast against faking experience has changed quite a few minds. I am doing my bit but unfortunately there are A$$ H()!&$ who misguide their juniors and run businesses who allow these things to happen.
Unless you start they wont bother. It starts with you and not with them.
A person with knowledge and talent is sitting at home going through job portals ,hoping and awaiting for that "call" from recruiters and on other hand his peers or colleagues just by shelling out few bucks or "personal contacts"(read in this blog that some one got job coz of very close contacts with the TL) nicely gets a job gets settled in life gets married and is enjoying his life. the other person with all the ethics and morals and a genuine resume is not even picked up or short listed for an interview.
If a person claims to be talented and isn't getting a job then he isn't talented enough. There are umpteen number of ways to shine.
Truth is hard and that's why not everyone of us speaks truth.
Read through the whole post again in detail.
hi Pradeep,
You replied quite well about certain people who misguide their juniors and that if person is talented there are ways to shine....
I was actually expecting an answer about the rules of the recruiters or the HR department....
Very genuinely and sincerely I want to know "why do they consider that *gap* as a negativity.Is that so important that a resume is not even short listed for an interview.
One more request ....Can you please suggest some of those umpteen ways to shine for a fresher and find a chance to get shorlisted for interview.
( I did not tell that my friend is an expert I again say he is just a fresher with sound knowledge enough to get a job at an entry level.)Even if I think to the worst and assume that my friend is not even fit for the entry level who is the right person to say "you are not fit even as a fresher and you dont have knowledge" ? The recruiters or the interview panel are right ones to assess a candidate.
I would also like to say that its not just about people who are faking with experience it has to do a lot from the recruiters and the Hr people also.They should also maintain certain ethics and morals. Through out the blog mostly the job seekers are getting blamed what about the recruiters are they maintaing the morals. The so called term"BACKDOOR ENTRY" is all with the recruiters! How shamelessly they take money and recruit people.
There is a set of people who are responsible for shorlisting candidates for interview.Do they even realise how important part they are playing in a persons life.They just go through the resume if they find
-gap = reject
- previously contract based job = reject
- not 60% aggregate = reject
so on and so forth
Change should come from both the sides the recruiters as well as from the job seekers.
@Anonymous,
Change should come from both the sides the recruiters as well as from the job seekers.
When Mahatma Gandhi wanted to bring a change in India, he changed himself first and the rest followed.
@ Pradeep
U son of Bitch First of all u know wht's going on in IT companies n don't blame on job seekers u idiot
@123,
U son of Bitch First of all u know wht's going on in IT companies n don't blame on job seekers u idiot
If the post has irritated you so much then you must be a faker. My mom never gave birth to cowards and fakers.
@ pradeep
I am not Faker.... i am working as SAS programmer n certified SAS programmer n ur way of thinking is to worst.... don't think that ur best u have attitude prob, U know in India how many Engineers r coming out every year..... r every person getting job after they finish there graduation.... there r so many politics r going even in IT Companies also...
one question to Mr. Pradeep..
One of my friend completed his graduation n working in Airtel as RF Engineer for 2 years.... Now he wants to shift into software,learn JAVA n even completed Certification will he get job as fresher.... No way companies won't take him as fresher ... wht he has to do?
U said every person has to change...1st of all Mr.Pradeep Change ur attitude
Don't think that ur best.....
ur worst 1st of all u have to change....
@123,
If you think you are smart, you'd be interested to know that you aren't. And as you are convinced that I am thinking of myself as best ( compared to people like you ), read the follwing:
As per my stats, it appears you searched for "testertested fake" to reach this blog post and comment with harsh abusive words. I have recorded your ip address, location and mac address, Windows 2003 server machine, running Firefox to post this comment. I can pass this on to cyber crime police of Hyderabad ( the place you currently are ) and pass it on to Southern Online Services ( your internet service provider ) who can track you down in one day and as per the cyber crime laws you can be under jail for abusing others over internet. The words you used in the above comment is sufficient for cyber crime police to get convinced about it.
Isn't that cool, you certified idiot?
Now answering your questions, "U know in India how many Engineers r coming out every year..... r every person getting job after they finish there graduation.... there r so many politics r going even in IT Companies also..." --
Is the solution to fake?
Shouldn't the solution be stop producing babies so that in future there are as many engineers as there are jobs?
Before you bother about others' attitude be careful in not exposing your stupidity in public.
@123,
Forgot to mention that on Republic Day of India, your idea of supporting people to fake is a great credit to all those people who struggled for freedom for India. Freedom to fake - Wow! Sounds great.
Your parents should be proud of you and the politicians in India must be already proud of you by now.
Hello Sir,
U are replying quite well to questions and comments but u did not answer a few which I asked, your answers would be of immense help to the readers of this blog.
1.Why do recruiters overlook the talent or genuineness of a candidate/resume if they find the "GAP" in the career graph. A telecoms engineer will naturally work in telecom industry naturally, that should not stop one to consider a career in IT field.So is that gap so much given a weightage.
2.Please tell us some of those umpteen methods to shine so that job seekers like us can get shortlisted for an interview.
3.A few of counseling sessions OR WORDS not only to job seekers but also for people who are in the management level also(who encourage the BACKDOOR ENTRY) through you blog so that they may also get influenced through your honesty talk.
4.As you said(the MAHATMA GANDHI QUOTE) change should come from ourselves first. Expecting a change from people is nothing but changing ourselves . As a job seeker I changed myself I will not put fake experience to get a job.I will wait until vacancies are announced for a fresher like me in this recession period.
5.So what kind of change did Mr.Pradeep Soundarajan bring in himself other than preaching in blogs and talking with people over coffee.You conduct workshops so i assume that you must be at the management/higher level in testing field.
Other than blogging about ethics and morals, in practicality what kind of changes did you try to implement in the selections or interviews, amongst your staff, using your position and authority.Your answers would definitely influence the readers who are at the management level.
6.What is your opinion about the reference system that is seen now a days.A resume that is sent with reference is selected and the same resume without a reference is not selected!!! So a person with no reference has no right to get a place in the interview.I feel its a bad practice everyone does not have excellent references in every company.
7.Does the company you work for encourage taking in of freshers?
I hope the high and personal contacts kind of influence does not happen in your working place....how can it happen when PRADEEP SOUNDARAJAN present.
@Anonymous,
Kindly go through "The bad state of software testing interviews in India" presentation PLUS my progress reports plus my other posts to know what changes I have been able to bring in.
Also read "Hands on testing training - The change we need" post to understand about the things I have been trying to bring in.
In recession times, if you are extremely skilled ( or you build them up ) you wouldn't have to wait or bother the next time there is recession. Most lazy humans prefer short cuts and you know that becoming extremely skilled is not for lazy humans and hence they prefer faking.
When they get caught, they also get blacklisted forever and they dont say all this in public because they are cowards.
I would suggest you carefully read the posts that I suggested to get answers to your question.
One thing I can tell Pradeep the great real time real person...Stop shitting people with your stupid thinking and ideas....If you ever look at your past family history you would find that your ancestors must have cheated faked and looted soooooo many Indian people and thats the reason you must have even studied, where as at the same time millions of Indians were dying of hunger.
It would have been great if you would have given up(or never used it) all the illegal wealth and knowledge ur forefathers accumulated for you and started from the scratch i.e as some poor unlucky Indian (which you wont for sure)..
It only helps if you have such Blogs after you do a self assessment ..
Dont shit people by telling that to Test software you need to be extraordinary..
Anyone in this world can do any work given the opportunity and training without any dirty politics involved..
If its survival of the fittest,you arent any more fit than the XXXXX guy here...You are one of those guys who would lick suck and kill for your superiority over others,change your mindset or your soul would perish
@Krishna,
Stop shitting people with your stupid thinking and ideas....I am just exposing how stupid I am and how brilliant some people who comment on my blog are. This blog is just a platform for that. I cant take out this natural platform where I want to expose how stupid I have been growing.
It is wise not to read stupid material.
If you ever look at your past family history you would find that your ancestors must have cheated faked and looted soooooo many Indian people and thats the reason you must have even studied, where as at the same time millions of Indians were dying of hunger.You mean everyone cheated and now some might not be doing that?
If my ancestors did that, I oppose that too however I cant go and fix the past but might have some influence over the future.
Why are you supporting those fakers?
Are you one such?
Hi
U r doing a great job for testing community. A person XXXXX from USA started with a doubt........Without clearing that the conversation gone in different way and ended....
Can we the answer for that atleast now?
@Anonymous,
Without clearing that the conversation gone in different way and ended....
Can we the answer for that atleast now?
The answer is : Faking is a fantastic way of lowering your self esteem and making your children feel ashamed of being born to you and your parents for giving birth to you. If that is what your mission of life is, go ahead.
@ all the honest & passionate testers
Someone has to take a initiative against all these fakers. So lets give it a start through the community & also make everyone realise that testing is not a childs play.
@ all the honest & passionate testers
Someone has to take a initiative against all these fakers. So lets give it a start through the community & also make everyone realise that testing is not a childs play.
@ all the honest & passionate testers
Someone has to take a initiative against all these fakers. So lets give it a start through the community & also make everyone realise that testing is not a childs play.
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